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well chris o'brien is taking another

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him a little bit of rest but you will

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hear him again and after the power cast

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so kurt collins has kindly agreed to

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stick with me again and he's going to

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work with me on this week's episode and

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we have a really fascinating guess so

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welcome back kurt thank you i was

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now we're digesting

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kurt and i the appearance last week of

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james carrion and whether you agree with

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him or not whether you agree that

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the ghost rockets and possibly roswell

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which is something he was strongly

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that roswell and the ghost rockets were

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done as a result of intelligence

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activities not because we were visited

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whether you agree with those

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suppositions or not

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shouldn't we continually

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question everything we do because if we

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don't the skeptics will and sometimes

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they'll be right what do you think kurt

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well i think that's a good point and

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there are a lot of things that that we

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have there's a lot of information but

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there's not a lot of of hard

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data and and evidence and so some of the

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things that we've sort of stacked up as

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possible it's a good very good thing to

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go back and examine them see how they

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fit together and and karen's bringing up

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some very interesting points about the

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military intelligence because they're

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involved one way or another in the

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investigation the cover-up or possibly

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as he's saying and creating some of

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these uh these situations that led to

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ufo reports so yeah very well worth

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examining and he may be wrong he may be

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partly correct but remember he has also

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looked over thousands and thousands of

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where this behavior is actually written

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down it's not supposition it's not

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speculation

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this stuff is written down

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and inferences and conclusions can be

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as a result of that it's not something

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in his armchair one evening that's right

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if nothing else the examples he provides

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of these military intelligence

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operations are good clue as to how the

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cases are being worked by the military

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and and you can go and you can check his

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his material now the conclusions he

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draws and the lines he draws between

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them now that's something we can

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question but i found some solid material

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there it's very you know it's

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interesting if i think the cold war

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historians would be interested too but

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certainly in the ufo buffs need to take

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a look at look at it because it's some

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connecting tissue it's important

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and the thing to bear in mind here is

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that even if

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all the ghost rockets

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were intelligence activities

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even if roswell was not a spaceship and

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there was no alien

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and there was no

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alien depicted in these roswell slides

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it doesn't mean there's no ufo mystery

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it doesn't mean we don't have

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thousands upon thousands of sightings

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that we cannot explain

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but the faster we get rid of the stuff

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that's really the chaff the stuff that

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really isn't real the faster we'll make

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progress if we spend all our time with

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cases that have

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stuff about them that's very very

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suspicious it's just wasting everyone's

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time i'm not saying that ghost rockets

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weren't real or that roswell was some

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kind of intelligence thing but if it was

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so what get over it you're right there's

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a lot of haystack and very few pins and

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you know if if somebody can come along

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and move some of that out of her way so

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that we can

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concentrate on we'll still we're going

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to have mysteries but there's just such

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a mass of hoaxes frauds

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and that you know you should you know i

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appreciate it if someone can can clear

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that well we have somebody today who is

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another nonsense guy in the ufo field he

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was back on the show

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quite a few months ago in fact as we

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speak to show you how we attempt to

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be current and up to date here i'm going

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to look up the exact date on june 1st

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2004 we featured george wingfield of

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course we covered his interest in crop

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circles cattle mutilations and all sorts

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of things

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but the point that you get when you talk

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to him is that he is a no-nonsense kind

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of guy and he's not afraid to speak his

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mind about a lot of issues

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first thing we need to ask him about it

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is his seven f's

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excuse me he's got seven f's

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and i don't want to spill it we have to

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hear it from him

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you're not talking about my high school

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grades no i well you know these maybe

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you this may be ufology's bad grades

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seven f's

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well we'll have to hear i have to wonder

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of course how many grades certain people

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in the ufo field have received when they

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fake

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and about this information that came to

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his military background may have been

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fabricated at least in part that his

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educational background and he's not

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no he's not really answering those

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professor adamski and i think dr

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oh boy professor adamski now he got away

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with that because he said that was just

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a title a friendship

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i remember when i was a young

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brooklyn new york

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and the local mail carrier would say to

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i will be a professor i wasn't

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and then the late long john nebel on his

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radio show characterized himself as a

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of ignorance

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now georgia damski claimed that was an

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honorary title that people called him

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professor he didn't claim to have

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those educational qualifications

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but one of the people he associated with

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one of his followers george hunt

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williamson did claim to have degrees and

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those degrees were faked

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we're supposed to take these people more

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seriously because of these credentials

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well i find it a very unpleasant

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you know let the data stand on its own

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you know it's nice if a scientist has

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as far as a as a witness or or someone

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just presenting information to be

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studied i don't think you've got to have

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a phd and i'll admit i'm a college

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dropout so maybe i have a little bias

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well chris o'brien spent five years at

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college he did not graduate

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i don't think we should take that away

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from him because bill gates didn't

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graduate and steve jobs as i mentioned

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audited some college classes but he did

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the the work that you're able to

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demonstrate that you do i mean you know

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education is important but i think all

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these people that you mentioned you'll

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find that they weren't really slackers

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in in finding and developing and using

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information

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now let me tell you i'm not saying that

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having a higher education has no value

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and i should tell you my son has a

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couple of degrees and he's working on

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one or two more well of course if a

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doctor didn't go to medical school i'd

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be worried if a lawyer

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didn't go to

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study law

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and pass the bar i'd be worried but

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there are a lot of fields where it

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doesn't matter what matters now is that

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we've got george wingfield coming up

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next with gene

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hi coast to coast listeners i'm kay

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swirling from ksco radio in santa cruz

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i'm 93 years old and i'm a big fan of

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on the powercast this week we welcome a

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return appearance

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from what we call the irrepressible

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george wingfield now we had him on

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last year

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fascinating time

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talking about a whole lot of interesting

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subjects

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and before we go on i wanted george to

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first welcome you back to the power cast

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but ask you if you formed any reactions

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yet

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to the claims from the former mufon

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international director james carrion

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that the ghost rockets of the mid 40s

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were just intelligence activities

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and

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he's also conveying the strong

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impression that roswell was the same

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thing what's your perception well i read

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james carrion's book which is called the

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rosetta deception

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and uh it's quite clear that there was a

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lot of deception was going on as regards

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deceiving the soviet union into thinking

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this or thinking that

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i'm sure that that is

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a principle element or a very important

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element in the uh ghost rocket events of

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that time

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as for uh roswell

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something definitely did crash at

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roswell i don't think anyone disputes

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that

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and it then subsequently

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the whole thing got hijacked by various

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interested parties including

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people who wrote books about roswell and

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people who claimed that this was

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definitely

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an alien flying saucer which crashed at

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roswell

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and of course

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a lot of this a lot of the material

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which was supplied to people like um

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william moore

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pointed in this direction and that was

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we know now that a lot of that was

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disinformation which is coming

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principally from

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uh the afosi people in

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curtin afford space

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new mexico

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and also from the nsa people who are in

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on this

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huge deception which has pulled on paul

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bennett

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now do you think here that there was a

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reason why suddenly

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30 years after the fact

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william moore stanton friedman suddenly

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they're getting all this information

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about roswell

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no no you're absolutely right and i i

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think

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in my estimation i'm not an expert on

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roswell

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it was probably a mogul balloon which

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was crashed on the uh brazil ranch

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though if you read all the reports

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it was very flimsy material there was

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not a huge amount of it

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and

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from the descriptions i've read it

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sounds much more like a balloon train

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that's a number of uh quite a large

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number of balloons all lash together um

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like the mogul balloon

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and

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people were told that this was a

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meteorological balloon pretty ordinary

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sort of thing

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and there was a lot of cover-up and a

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lot of

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brushing all that onto the carpet at the

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time

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because it was a top-secret project um

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okay 30 years on we've got into a

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different sort of thing and

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i think if you really want to find the

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reasons for

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why all that started coming out you can

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read the book uh by greg bishop called

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project beta tell our listeners about

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project baited now we've had greg bishop

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on the show so we have a sense of what

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he has to say but for the sake of

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listeners who don't follow all this

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stuff day in day out

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what did project beta

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contend

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well but basically you had this guy

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paul benefits who is a scientist and he

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was living in a house right across right

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across the street from

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curtin air force base

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which is on the edge of albuquerque new

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mexico

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and he

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he made scientific equipment he was

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a very smart guy but he started seeing

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curious lights and the movement at night

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of various lights

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operating in an extraordinary way

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on the base or over the weapons storage

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area which is called manzano where they

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stored atomic weapons

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and he became absolutely intrigued by

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this and he thought that these were ufos

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he thought what he was seeing were ufos

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flying into

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manzano

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and flying out of there and he

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got together a huge amount of sort of

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scanning gear and electronic gear to

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observe what was going on

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and immediately the

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the air force people on the base

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security people became aware of what he

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was up to they uh

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started

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asking asking him questions in fact he

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he went to

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all sorts of people he was putting it

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out to

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senators he even wrote a letter to

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president reagan saying he thought that

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this was the beginning of an invasion

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from outer space by

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aliens in flying saucers

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and the um nsa people who were obviously

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concerned about security and whether the

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soviets might possibly be spying on top

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secret activities at the base

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started

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monitoring

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and feeding him disinformation that was

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the start of it all

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and the uh villain here the central

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villain who's spearheaded the sevens a

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man called richard doty who i don't

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think you've had on the paracast yet but

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you've heard plenty about him you know

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what we have tried to get him on the

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power cast there's a story about that

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this goes back to our previous co-host

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before chris o'brien joined the show

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where

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we wrote to him

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and of course he's

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very flaky and very demanding

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and i thought we had it nailed down and

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then

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almost the last minute not the night

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before but maybe a few days before he

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says i'm not going to do it

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and that was it

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so

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i think he finds it better

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to pretend to be

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secretive and i wonder here how much of

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this is play acting and whether this guy

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even though he admittedly had

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credentials

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is engaged in kind of self

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aggrandizement where he's trying to

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boost his ego by pretending to be more

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than what he really is

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it's like a game

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well i i think um he's a self-confessed

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liar i mean he has confessed on many

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occasions that

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he was feeding disinformation to paul

534
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benefits to linda hall and to william

535
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moore they all received disinformation

536
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which is a mixture of truth and lies of

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course the trick is knowing how much is

538
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truth and how much is lies

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i inclined to think that the majority of

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it was

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lies

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and i think that

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uh doty was ideally suited to this role

544
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because he he's um he sounds to me to be

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a pathological liar which is one of

546
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those people who after bet doesn't

547
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really know the difference between

548
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what's true and what's not true

549
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and um

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[Music]

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he

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for god knows how many years now and i

553
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think he was also associated with the

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project serpo hoax which appeared on the

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internet about um probably about 10

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years ago all of that stuff well project

557
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serpa was one of these things where

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supposedly we had this foreign exchange

559
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program with the aliens where we sent

560
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our pilots there and aliens came here

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and we exchanged technology now if you

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read the stuff i read some of that stuff

563
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and i've got to tell you that it read as

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if it was a science fiction story

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silly and before we get too silly let me

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you're listening to the paracast the

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george wingfield is here kurt collins is

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subbing

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as guest co-host chris o'brien will be

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back on after the power cast

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and also on next week's show we've got

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george wingfield we're talking about the

679
00:27:40,070 --> 00:27:38,400
mirage men project beta the presence of

680
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intelligence people running around

681
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particularly

682
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in the 1980s

683
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and you wonder here

684
00:27:49,190 --> 00:27:47,039
and the thing that bothers me is even

685
00:27:51,590 --> 00:27:49,200
though we know there is so much fakery

686
00:27:53,909 --> 00:27:51,600
going on why some people in the ufo

687
00:27:56,470 --> 00:27:53,919
field are adamant that

688
00:27:57,350 --> 00:27:56,480
with roswell it had to be real no matter

689
00:28:00,389 --> 00:27:57,360
what

690
00:28:01,510 --> 00:28:00,399
sure that's um a lot of people who put

691
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the whole

692
00:28:06,470 --> 00:28:04,559
reputation on everything on roswell stan

693
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friedman being being one of them of

694
00:28:09,590 --> 00:28:07,360
course

695
00:28:11,990 --> 00:28:09,600
back then kevin randle

696
00:28:13,750 --> 00:28:12,000
william moore everybody thought roswell

697
00:28:15,909 --> 00:28:13,760
was real and that's

698
00:28:19,190 --> 00:28:15,919
was their starting point but they've all

699
00:28:21,269 --> 00:28:19,200
gone in different directions obviously

700
00:28:23,909 --> 00:28:21,279
stan friedman and

701
00:28:25,750 --> 00:28:23,919
linda ha will make a stand on roswell

702
00:28:27,110 --> 00:28:25,760
and they say it was all real they have

703
00:28:28,870 --> 00:28:27,120
to because

704
00:28:32,149 --> 00:28:28,880
they've been doing this for many years

705
00:28:32,950 --> 00:28:32,159
now and if they concede that that was

706
00:28:35,830 --> 00:28:32,960
all

707
00:28:37,269 --> 00:28:35,840
nothing to do with alien spacecraft

708
00:28:38,630 --> 00:28:37,279
crashing

709
00:28:40,149 --> 00:28:38,640
near roswell

710
00:28:41,350 --> 00:28:40,159
no one's going to believe anything they

711
00:28:42,870 --> 00:28:41,360
say anymore

712
00:28:45,669 --> 00:28:42,880
also you wonder about things like

713
00:28:48,630 --> 00:28:45,679
roswell's slides to keep it alive

714
00:28:50,230 --> 00:28:48,640
well roswell slides um i haven't read

715
00:28:53,190 --> 00:28:50,240
about this but this is a fairly recent

716
00:28:56,630 --> 00:28:53,200
thing is it not which claimed to be what

717
00:28:58,070 --> 00:28:56,640
photographs of crash disc at roswell is

718
00:29:00,789 --> 00:28:58,080
that what we're talking about we're

719
00:29:03,510 --> 00:29:00,799
talking about here two slides found in

720
00:29:06,630 --> 00:29:03,520
someone's home in sedona arizona years

721
00:29:09,830 --> 00:29:06,640
after the fact kodachrome slides

722
00:29:12,389 --> 00:29:09,840
taking on an emulsion that was probably

723
00:29:13,430 --> 00:29:12,399
made in 1947 doesn't say when the photos

724
00:29:15,830 --> 00:29:13,440
were taken

725
00:29:17,029 --> 00:29:15,840
supposedly like an alien autopsy thing

726
00:29:19,750 --> 00:29:17,039
where you see

727
00:29:21,269 --> 00:29:19,760
an alleged alien creature

728
00:29:23,510 --> 00:29:21,279
all right

729
00:29:26,470 --> 00:29:23,520
okay but you know the alien autopsy was

730
00:29:28,710 --> 00:29:26,480
a complete scam it was completely

731
00:29:30,549 --> 00:29:28,720
fraudulent it was commissioned by ray

732
00:29:34,149 --> 00:29:30,559
santilli and i'll give you another

733
00:29:37,430 --> 00:29:34,159
connection between the alien autopsy and

734
00:29:39,110 --> 00:29:37,440
what we've got to now with mirage man

735
00:29:40,710 --> 00:29:39,120
this is something which a lot of people

736
00:29:43,669 --> 00:29:40,720
probably don't know

737
00:29:46,070 --> 00:29:43,679
on the paracast is that nourishment is

738
00:29:47,750 --> 00:29:46,080
an excellent documentary and i

739
00:29:49,510 --> 00:29:47,760
absolutely follow and agree with the

740
00:29:51,909 --> 00:29:49,520
main thrust of it

741
00:29:54,470 --> 00:29:51,919
okay mirage man

742
00:29:57,350 --> 00:29:54,480
which i think you've discussed already

743
00:30:00,070 --> 00:29:57,360
on the paracast was an excellent

744
00:30:02,470 --> 00:30:00,080
documentary about the

745
00:30:05,029 --> 00:30:02,480
disinformation project which was coming

746
00:30:07,750 --> 00:30:05,039
out of kirtland air force base

747
00:30:10,389 --> 00:30:07,760
and deceived so many people headed by

748
00:30:12,950 --> 00:30:10,399
richard doty who's the central character

749
00:30:14,950 --> 00:30:12,960
he's uh the villain if you like but he's

750
00:30:16,549 --> 00:30:14,960
also the central character in this

751
00:30:18,549 --> 00:30:16,559
documentary

752
00:30:19,830 --> 00:30:18,559
and um

753
00:30:23,909 --> 00:30:19,840
the reason

754
00:30:24,950 --> 00:30:23,919
the director of mirageman was john

755
00:30:26,789 --> 00:30:24,960
londberg

756
00:30:29,669 --> 00:30:26,799
which is probably not a name that many

757
00:30:30,549 --> 00:30:29,679
people in this country know about

758
00:30:32,310 --> 00:30:30,559
but

759
00:30:34,389 --> 00:30:32,320
what richard doty was doing

760
00:30:37,430 --> 00:30:34,399
disinformation

761
00:30:40,070 --> 00:30:37,440
false information and deception

762
00:30:41,350 --> 00:30:40,080
is exactly what john lundberg has been

763
00:30:44,789 --> 00:30:41,360
into for

764
00:30:45,990 --> 00:30:44,799
over 20 years now john lundberg was one

765
00:30:48,149 --> 00:30:46,000
of the

766
00:30:50,950 --> 00:30:48,159
most prominent british

767
00:30:53,990 --> 00:30:50,960
crop circle makers and uh

768
00:30:55,990 --> 00:30:54,000
he spent years uh making very elaborate

769
00:30:57,350 --> 00:30:56,000
crop circle formations

770
00:30:59,590 --> 00:30:57,360
and um

771
00:31:01,909 --> 00:30:59,600
fooling a lot of people uh who thought

772
00:31:06,149 --> 00:31:01,919
they were genuine or they'd be made by

773
00:31:08,070 --> 00:31:06,159
aliens so no angelic agencies whatever

774
00:31:10,310 --> 00:31:08,080
okay this is something which really

775
00:31:12,950 --> 00:31:10,320
turned him on it's rather like being a

776
00:31:14,870 --> 00:31:12,960
magician you know something

777
00:31:16,630 --> 00:31:14,880
extraordinary and miraculous appears in

778
00:31:19,110 --> 00:31:16,640
the crop fields and a lot of people are

779
00:31:22,470 --> 00:31:19,120
taken in by well john lombard didn't

780
00:31:25,110 --> 00:31:22,480
stop there he went on to he he forged a

781
00:31:26,630 --> 00:31:25,120
lot of ufo photographs which he

782
00:31:27,830 --> 00:31:26,640
um

783
00:31:30,710 --> 00:31:27,840
ran by

784
00:31:33,190 --> 00:31:30,720
all sorts of ufo believers and of course

785
00:31:34,630 --> 00:31:33,200
many of them believe what he was saying

786
00:31:35,750 --> 00:31:34,640
and then

787
00:31:37,750 --> 00:31:35,760
he was

788
00:31:43,830 --> 00:31:37,760
closely involved

789
00:31:46,230 --> 00:31:43,840
in the alien autopsy uh film from 1995

790
00:31:49,750 --> 00:31:46,240
he he played a major role in making the

791
00:31:51,269 --> 00:31:49,760
that alien autopsy film for ray santelli

792
00:31:52,710 --> 00:31:51,279
who he knew very well

793
00:31:54,470 --> 00:31:52,720
and um

794
00:31:55,750 --> 00:31:54,480
he was certainly behind the camera he

795
00:31:58,230 --> 00:31:55,760
may even have been in front of the

796
00:32:00,470 --> 00:31:58,240
camera in the alien autopsy in some of

797
00:32:03,750 --> 00:32:00,480
the scenes where you had a surgeon who

798
00:32:04,630 --> 00:32:03,760
was completely sort of covered in some

799
00:32:08,310 --> 00:32:04,640
uh

800
00:32:13,110 --> 00:32:10,789
obviously to to stop him picking up

801
00:32:15,990 --> 00:32:13,120
anything nasty from the supposed alien

802
00:32:17,190 --> 00:32:16,000
bodies so can we consider here george

803
00:32:19,190 --> 00:32:17,200
that

804
00:32:21,430 --> 00:32:19,200
perhaps the roswell slides

805
00:32:24,549 --> 00:32:21,440
is trying to resurrect the joys or the

806
00:32:27,669 --> 00:32:24,559
horror or the annoyances of the alien

807
00:32:29,590 --> 00:32:27,679
autopsy to bring it back for a 21st

808
00:32:31,669 --> 00:32:29,600
century audience

809
00:32:35,350 --> 00:32:31,679
yes yes i'm sure that someone has

810
00:32:36,870 --> 00:32:35,360
probably forged them i i i can't um say

811
00:32:38,630 --> 00:32:36,880
that for certain because i haven't seen

812
00:32:40,230 --> 00:32:38,640
them i haven't even looked at them or

813
00:32:44,630 --> 00:32:40,240
seen what's depicted but it sounds

814
00:32:45,590 --> 00:32:44,640
remarkably like the um the alien autopsy

815
00:32:46,389 --> 00:32:45,600
thing

816
00:32:48,630 --> 00:32:46,399
and

817
00:32:51,190 --> 00:32:48,640
uh with the alien autopsy

818
00:32:53,590 --> 00:32:51,200
ray santilli who who was the

819
00:32:55,110 --> 00:32:53,600
man who commissioned all this and made a

820
00:32:56,710 --> 00:32:55,120
considerable sum of money out of the

821
00:32:58,870 --> 00:32:56,720
alien hotel see

822
00:33:00,549 --> 00:32:58,880
he was telling everybody well i was

823
00:33:02,549 --> 00:33:00,559
filmed on um

824
00:33:05,350 --> 00:33:02,559
what is it eight millimeter

825
00:33:07,350 --> 00:33:05,360
film which is what everyone was using in

826
00:33:08,830 --> 00:33:07,360
the movie cameras in

827
00:33:11,669 --> 00:33:08,840
uh

828
00:33:13,190 --> 00:33:11,679
1947 and he said i sent a bit of the

829
00:33:17,190 --> 00:33:13,200
film off to

830
00:33:19,430 --> 00:33:17,200
the um kodak labs in rochester new york

831
00:33:21,509 --> 00:33:19,440
and here's a letter from them confirming

832
00:33:24,630 --> 00:33:21,519
that the film uh

833
00:33:25,909 --> 00:33:24,640
i sent them was from 1947. and

834
00:33:28,389 --> 00:33:25,919
all of this

835
00:33:31,509 --> 00:33:28,399
complete fraud of course he'd sent them

836
00:33:33,430 --> 00:33:31,519
a bit of film which was from 1947 you

837
00:33:35,350 --> 00:33:33,440
can tell by the markings on the edge of

838
00:33:36,789 --> 00:33:35,360
the film and they'd written back said

839
00:33:40,389 --> 00:33:36,799
yeah the better film you sent us from

840
00:33:43,350 --> 00:33:40,399
1947 okay that was nothing to do with um

841
00:33:46,389 --> 00:33:43,360
any bit of film which had an alien

842
00:33:48,310 --> 00:33:46,399
alien body on it uh it was just a bit of

843
00:33:50,950 --> 00:33:48,320
film he had he knew all about film and

844
00:33:52,470 --> 00:33:50,960
he did this to deceive people

845
00:33:54,870 --> 00:33:52,480
and i think you'll probably find that

846
00:33:56,310 --> 00:33:54,880
the roswell slides are something of the

847
00:33:58,789 --> 00:33:56,320
same kind

848
00:34:00,789 --> 00:33:58,799
now the problem with roswell's slides is

849
00:34:01,990 --> 00:34:00,799
supposedly they show an alien being in

850
00:34:04,630 --> 00:34:02,000
some

851
00:34:06,789 --> 00:34:04,640
process being autopsied

852
00:34:08,629 --> 00:34:06,799
at least being cut apart but that

853
00:34:12,069 --> 00:34:08,639
doesn't mean number one it's a real

854
00:34:13,990 --> 00:34:12,079
alien and not some kind of put up job

855
00:34:15,669 --> 00:34:14,000
number two it doesn't mean it came from

856
00:34:17,909 --> 00:34:15,679
roswell

857
00:34:20,149 --> 00:34:17,919
i mean the chain of evidence

858
00:34:22,470 --> 00:34:20,159
is flaky beyond belief you find

859
00:34:24,230 --> 00:34:22,480
something in somebody's home and you

860
00:34:27,349 --> 00:34:24,240
immediately assume

861
00:34:28,950 --> 00:34:27,359
because the film came from 1947 that it

862
00:34:31,030 --> 00:34:28,960
must be

863
00:34:33,589 --> 00:34:31,040
roswell i think that's just

864
00:34:35,990 --> 00:34:33,599
a stretch beyond belief

865
00:34:37,190 --> 00:34:36,000
well it sounds so remarkably similar to

866
00:34:39,589 --> 00:34:37,200
the scam

867
00:34:42,550 --> 00:34:39,599
which was being pulled by the alien

868
00:34:45,349 --> 00:34:42,560
autopsy the supposed alien autopsy

869
00:34:48,869 --> 00:34:45,359
that one might even

870
00:34:51,109 --> 00:34:48,879
speculate that the man behind it was one

871
00:34:53,030 --> 00:34:51,119
of the same men who did that

872
00:34:54,550 --> 00:34:53,040
and uh there you might have the name

873
00:34:56,710 --> 00:34:54,560
john lundberg

874
00:34:58,310 --> 00:34:56,720
he's never admitted it but i know

875
00:34:59,910 --> 00:34:58,320
perfectly well from

876
00:35:03,030 --> 00:34:59,920
what i saw at the time that he was

877
00:35:04,790 --> 00:35:03,040
involved in making the alien autopsy

878
00:35:07,270 --> 00:35:04,800
well here's the thing that bothers me

879
00:35:08,069 --> 00:35:07,280
here about things like this hoax is like

880
00:35:09,990 --> 00:35:08,079
this

881
00:35:11,270 --> 00:35:10,000
and i think no matter what they're

882
00:35:13,190 --> 00:35:11,280
saying now they're just trying to

883
00:35:15,829 --> 00:35:13,200
oversell it they're going to have to

884
00:35:17,990 --> 00:35:15,839
really produce a lot of evidence to show

885
00:35:18,870 --> 00:35:18,000
this is more than just a picture of

886
00:35:20,790 --> 00:35:18,880
something

887
00:35:23,270 --> 00:35:20,800
from anywhere i think

888
00:35:25,990 --> 00:35:23,280
i worry here what percentage of things

889
00:35:29,190 --> 00:35:26,000
could go on in the ufo field are the

890
00:35:31,190 --> 00:35:29,200
same thing disinformation hoaxes etc

891
00:35:32,790 --> 00:35:31,200
and how can you even take the subject

892
00:35:33,990 --> 00:35:32,800
seriously when you've got all this stuff

893
00:35:35,670 --> 00:35:34,000
going on

894
00:35:38,150 --> 00:35:35,680
or is this just

895
00:35:39,750 --> 00:35:38,160
something you sprinkle into the mix of

896
00:35:40,790 --> 00:35:39,760
people won't pay attention to the real

897
00:35:42,870 --> 00:35:40,800
evidence

898
00:35:44,150 --> 00:35:42,880
you say disinformation but i think if

899
00:35:49,510 --> 00:35:44,160
you

900
00:35:51,990 --> 00:35:49,520
endless bits of

901
00:35:55,670 --> 00:35:52,000
video and still photographs and goodness

902
00:35:58,470 --> 00:35:55,680
knows what of fate ufo footage fake to

903
00:35:59,349 --> 00:35:58,480
your face uh just any amount of it and

904
00:36:01,190 --> 00:35:59,359
people

905
00:36:02,870 --> 00:36:01,200
like doing that they like putting this

906
00:36:05,589 --> 00:36:02,880
sort of stuff up there because they

907
00:36:08,150 --> 00:36:05,599
deceive people it's almost like an

908
00:36:10,069 --> 00:36:08,160
addictive drug okay my god we took in

909
00:36:13,270 --> 00:36:10,079
all these people who think this is a

910
00:36:15,829 --> 00:36:13,280
genuine ufo well this is a genuine alien

911
00:36:17,430 --> 00:36:15,839
body and i think you just get more and

912
00:36:19,349 --> 00:36:17,440
more and more of this and i think your

913
00:36:21,190 --> 00:36:19,359
russell slides probably

914
00:36:22,870 --> 00:36:21,200
exactly the same thing

915
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we're about a month away from the

916
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alleged

917
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event in mexico city where we'll find

918
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out what's going on or maybe we won't

919
00:36:33,109 --> 00:36:31,040
find out anything and what about the

920
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people who pay for that event can they

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this is robert hastings author of ufos

1026
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and nukes and you're listening to the

1027
00:41:22,069 --> 00:41:15,920
paracast the gold standard of paranormal

1028
00:41:27,190 --> 00:41:24,309
so chris o'brien is taking another week

1029
00:41:28,309 --> 00:41:27,200
off he's had kind of a mess of things

1030
00:41:31,030 --> 00:41:28,319
that happened

1031
00:41:33,510 --> 00:41:31,040
after his brother died and

1032
00:41:34,390 --> 00:41:33,520
trying to get back accustomed to life

1033
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without

1034
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his closest friend so he's going to take

1035
00:41:40,950 --> 00:41:38,800
another week off but he'll be back on

1036
00:41:43,829 --> 00:41:40,960
after the power cast once again kurt

1037
00:41:45,589 --> 00:41:43,839
collins is subbing as the guest co-host

1038
00:41:46,790 --> 00:41:45,599
george wingfield is our guest a very

1039
00:41:49,109 --> 00:41:46,800
outspoken

1040
00:41:51,829 --> 00:41:49,119
ufo and paranormal investigator right

1041
00:41:54,870 --> 00:41:51,839
now we're focusing a very heavy degree

1042
00:41:57,109 --> 00:41:54,880
on possible ufo disinformation we also

1043
00:41:59,430 --> 00:41:57,119
want to focus on the fact that we have

1044
00:42:02,630 --> 00:41:59,440
something for you after the power cast

1045
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to get a copy you have to subscribe to

1046
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the powercast plus at

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and you'll be able to get that plus the

1048
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ad free version of this show higher

1049
00:42:16,790 --> 00:42:14,640
quality audio kurt you got some

1050
00:42:19,670 --> 00:42:16,800
questions well in the opening we

1051
00:42:20,790 --> 00:42:19,680
mentioned uh george's um seven f's and i

1052
00:42:23,270 --> 00:42:20,800
was wondering if you could tell the

1053
00:42:25,990 --> 00:42:23,280
listeners just what that was about and

1054
00:42:28,309 --> 00:42:26,000
by the way this is a family show

1055
00:42:31,670 --> 00:42:28,319
okay well i'll leave that outside in

1056
00:42:33,589 --> 00:42:31,680
particular but um okay my seven f's uh

1057
00:42:35,910 --> 00:42:33,599
see if i can remember these there was

1058
00:42:37,349 --> 00:42:35,920
fiction fantasy

1059
00:42:38,870 --> 00:42:37,359
fraud

1060
00:42:40,630 --> 00:42:38,880
forgery

1061
00:42:42,150 --> 00:42:40,640
false memory

1062
00:42:43,829 --> 00:42:42,160
folklore

1063
00:42:45,750 --> 00:42:43,839
flap

1064
00:42:47,589 --> 00:42:45,760
and i think that's about seven but there

1065
00:42:51,030 --> 00:42:47,599
may be some more as well

1066
00:42:54,309 --> 00:42:51,040
i love the word flapdoodle

1067
00:42:56,069 --> 00:42:54,319
well flat doodle is is a word uh it's in

1068
00:42:59,430 --> 00:42:56,079
the dictionary somewhere but i use the

1069
00:43:01,829 --> 00:42:59,440
word in connection with a lot of the new

1070
00:43:04,470 --> 00:43:01,839
age stuff you get about

1071
00:43:06,870 --> 00:43:04,480
ufos and you've got ufo conferences you

1072
00:43:08,390 --> 00:43:06,880
get a lot of sort of way out new age

1073
00:43:11,510 --> 00:43:08,400
things about

1074
00:43:15,670 --> 00:43:11,520
star children and

1075
00:43:18,550 --> 00:43:15,680
higher levels of consciousness and uh

1076
00:43:20,790 --> 00:43:18,560
beneficial abductions and goodness knows

1077
00:43:23,349 --> 00:43:20,800
there's just any amount of it psychic

1078
00:43:27,109 --> 00:43:23,359
spiritual and other

1079
00:43:29,430 --> 00:43:27,119
abilities non-living beings gifted souls

1080
00:43:30,470 --> 00:43:29,440
will bring priests

1081
00:43:33,109 --> 00:43:30,480
peace

1082
00:43:35,109 --> 00:43:33,119
and uh top hooker up systems and shift

1083
00:43:36,710 --> 00:43:35,119
dimensional consciousness et cetera et

1084
00:43:38,550 --> 00:43:36,720
cetera et cetera

1085
00:43:40,309 --> 00:43:38,560
that's really what i call flap doodle

1086
00:43:41,589 --> 00:43:40,319
and i say okay well if that's what you

1087
00:43:45,030 --> 00:43:41,599
think this is

1088
00:43:48,390 --> 00:43:45,040
religious creed to many people and a lot

1089
00:43:51,190 --> 00:43:48,400
of people have the ufo subject is a

1090
00:43:52,069 --> 00:43:51,200
religious creed without very much proof

1091
00:43:53,349 --> 00:43:52,079
of

1092
00:43:55,589 --> 00:43:53,359
what they're saying

1093
00:43:57,589 --> 00:43:55,599
now the question we've raised in recent

1094
00:43:59,910 --> 00:43:57,599
episodes and i don't know how many

1095
00:44:02,550 --> 00:43:59,920
you've listened to is whether there's

1096
00:44:05,030 --> 00:44:02,560
any real research being done in this

1097
00:44:06,950 --> 00:44:05,040
field and i mentioned mufon mufon

1098
00:44:08,710 --> 00:44:06,960
collects a lot of information

1099
00:44:11,109 --> 00:44:08,720
and we really went after them especially

1100
00:44:12,550 --> 00:44:11,119
in after the power cast last week we

1101
00:44:14,309 --> 00:44:12,560
went after them

1102
00:44:16,710 --> 00:44:14,319
because of the fact that they got

1103
00:44:20,390 --> 00:44:16,720
involved in this hangar one

1104
00:44:22,870 --> 00:44:20,400
tv show yeah which is a load of nonsense

1105
00:44:25,349 --> 00:44:22,880
oh yeah and they got involved they put

1106
00:44:27,910 --> 00:44:25,359
the organization's reputation there and

1107
00:44:30,630 --> 00:44:27,920
if you look at the blurb for the history

1108
00:44:32,870 --> 00:44:30,640
channels hanger one well this is from

1109
00:44:35,670 --> 00:44:32,880
the archives of mufon

1110
00:44:39,190 --> 00:44:35,680
and that was decidedly not true and you

1111
00:44:41,190 --> 00:44:39,200
wonder is any ufo organization out there

1112
00:44:43,430 --> 00:44:41,200
anywhere in the world actually doing

1113
00:44:47,270 --> 00:44:43,440
research or just collecting cases

1114
00:44:50,150 --> 00:44:47,280
i'm not aware of it i think you know we

1115
00:44:51,430 --> 00:44:50,160
all looked to move on and we thought for

1116
00:44:53,990 --> 00:44:51,440
a time

1117
00:44:56,390 --> 00:44:54,000
when james carrion was the director that

1118
00:44:57,589 --> 00:44:56,400
maybe mufon would be going in the right

1119
00:44:58,309 --> 00:44:57,599
direction

1120
00:44:59,829 --> 00:44:58,319
but

1121
00:45:02,470 --> 00:44:59,839
the rest of mufon

1122
00:45:04,870 --> 00:45:02,480
ganged up on him and made his position

1123
00:45:06,470 --> 00:45:04,880
impossible and he had to quit

1124
00:45:09,030 --> 00:45:06,480
they also had a falling out with the

1125
00:45:10,069 --> 00:45:09,040
fact that um robert bigelow seemed to

1126
00:45:13,190 --> 00:45:10,079
more or less

1127
00:45:15,589 --> 00:45:13,200
taken over or bought mufon

1128
00:45:17,990 --> 00:45:15,599
he he was writing the rules of what

1129
00:45:20,309 --> 00:45:18,000
mufon was going to do next and james

1130
00:45:23,190 --> 00:45:20,319
carrion didn't like this which is why he

1131
00:45:25,670 --> 00:45:23,200
left supposedly the bigelow

1132
00:45:27,430 --> 00:45:25,680
connection is a thing of the past

1133
00:45:28,630 --> 00:45:27,440
apparently he had a bad relationship for

1134
00:45:30,550 --> 00:45:28,640
about a year

1135
00:45:32,710 --> 00:45:30,560
and all ties have been severed but it's

1136
00:45:36,550 --> 00:45:32,720
left it's left to tame a lot of people

1137
00:45:38,630 --> 00:45:36,560
remember that uh not in a fond way

1138
00:45:40,790 --> 00:45:38,640
yeah that's right that's absolutely

1139
00:45:43,190 --> 00:45:40,800
right but i have a lot of respect for

1140
00:45:44,550 --> 00:45:43,200
james carrier i think he's done some

1141
00:45:46,390 --> 00:45:44,560
good work

1142
00:45:48,950 --> 00:45:46,400
and he isn't

1143
00:45:50,470 --> 00:45:48,960
taken in like a lot of people by

1144
00:45:52,710 --> 00:45:50,480
some of this stuff

1145
00:45:55,510 --> 00:45:52,720
you know he's much more cautious

1146
00:45:57,510 --> 00:45:55,520
in his approach to the abduction

1147
00:46:00,150 --> 00:45:57,520
subject in particular okay the abduction

1148
00:46:03,030 --> 00:46:00,160
subject because a lot of people move far

1149
00:46:05,670 --> 00:46:03,040
who really wanted uh mufon to be not

1150
00:46:09,510 --> 00:46:05,680
just ufos it was was to be principally

1151
00:46:12,069 --> 00:46:09,520
about um alien abductions and uh the

1152
00:46:13,910 --> 00:46:12,079
people a lot of people in mufon who were

1153
00:46:15,430 --> 00:46:13,920
supporting this fought a battle just a

1154
00:46:18,390 --> 00:46:15,440
few years ago i've gotten the name of

1155
00:46:19,670 --> 00:46:18,400
the people involved to try and wrest the

1156
00:46:22,550 --> 00:46:19,680
leadership

1157
00:46:24,150 --> 00:46:22,560
uh from people like james carry

1158
00:46:26,870 --> 00:46:24,160
the thing that's interesting to me is

1159
00:46:29,270 --> 00:46:26,880
we've been after mufon for

1160
00:46:30,950 --> 00:46:29,280
a number of weeks here on the power cast

1161
00:46:32,870 --> 00:46:30,960
we've attacked their participation in

1162
00:46:34,150 --> 00:46:32,880
the hangar one tv show

1163
00:46:36,230 --> 00:46:34,160
we've had

1164
00:46:38,790 --> 00:46:36,240
some people from mufon on the show and

1165
00:46:40,069 --> 00:46:38,800
certainly last week we weren't very kind

1166
00:46:42,230 --> 00:46:40,079
to them

1167
00:46:43,910 --> 00:46:42,240
we've got a lot of listeners around the

1168
00:46:45,589 --> 00:46:43,920
world to the power cast but so far

1169
00:46:47,990 --> 00:46:45,599
nobody has said

1170
00:46:49,589 --> 00:46:48,000
how dare you attack mufon

1171
00:46:51,030 --> 00:46:49,599
i'm sure we'll hear from somebody after

1172
00:46:52,630 --> 00:46:51,040
i said this

1173
00:46:55,030 --> 00:46:52,640
but right now i don't see a lot of

1174
00:46:58,950 --> 00:46:55,040
people ready to stand up and support

1175
00:47:00,710 --> 00:46:58,960
them well i think this is because

1176
00:47:01,430 --> 00:47:00,720
mufon really

1177
00:47:03,349 --> 00:47:01,440
is

1178
00:47:04,790 --> 00:47:03,359
split it has been for a long time

1179
00:47:06,950 --> 00:47:04,800
between the

1180
00:47:10,550 --> 00:47:06,960
all the people who are thinking only in

1181
00:47:12,630 --> 00:47:10,560
terms of alien abduction abductees and

1182
00:47:14,710 --> 00:47:12,640
all this sort of stuff and people are

1183
00:47:17,190 --> 00:47:14,720
thinking of basic

1184
00:47:19,109 --> 00:47:17,200
real ufo research

1185
00:47:21,109 --> 00:47:19,119
and they see

1186
00:47:23,270 --> 00:47:21,119
these two things seem to be

1187
00:47:25,430 --> 00:47:23,280
incompatible really

1188
00:47:26,470 --> 00:47:25,440
why can't we have both

1189
00:47:28,630 --> 00:47:26,480
well

1190
00:47:29,910 --> 00:47:28,640
i think it's uh

1191
00:47:32,630 --> 00:47:29,920
you know a lot of

1192
00:47:35,750 --> 00:47:32,640
ufo researchers uh shall i say old time

1193
00:47:36,630 --> 00:47:35,760
ufo researchers have

1194
00:47:37,510 --> 00:47:36,640
said

1195
00:47:41,109 --> 00:47:37,520
okay

1196
00:47:42,069 --> 00:47:41,119
uh this alien abduction subject um

1197
00:47:44,630 --> 00:47:42,079
is

1198
00:47:49,030 --> 00:47:44,640
possibly something of a terrestrial

1199
00:47:50,870 --> 00:47:49,040
nature of a psychological nature and

1200
00:47:53,030 --> 00:47:50,880
something like this it's not really

1201
00:47:54,950 --> 00:47:53,040
connected with the ufo subject which you

1202
00:47:58,470 --> 00:47:54,960
we've been trying to research

1203
00:48:00,150 --> 00:47:58,480
uh ever since 1947 and um

1204
00:48:03,109 --> 00:48:00,160
there is this division

1205
00:48:05,270 --> 00:48:03,119
which is very hard to get away from

1206
00:48:06,390 --> 00:48:05,280
will i have no problems dealing with ufo

1207
00:48:08,470 --> 00:48:06,400
abductions

1208
00:48:10,150 --> 00:48:08,480
i mean i've talked to some abductees and

1209
00:48:11,670 --> 00:48:10,160
i think something real has happened i

1210
00:48:13,510 --> 00:48:11,680
don't know what it is

1211
00:48:15,510 --> 00:48:13,520
we had a guy on the show i don't know

1212
00:48:17,430 --> 00:48:15,520
five six years ago the name of doug we

1213
00:48:18,950 --> 00:48:17,440
had kathleen martin

1214
00:48:22,230 --> 00:48:18,960
betty hill's niece

1215
00:48:24,470 --> 00:48:22,240
who is a licensed hypnotherapist and she

1216
00:48:26,470 --> 00:48:24,480
brought on someone who claims to have

1217
00:48:27,510 --> 00:48:26,480
been abducted so something happened to

1218
00:48:31,030 --> 00:48:27,520
them

1219
00:48:34,150 --> 00:48:31,040
doesn't mean it's aliens

1220
00:48:35,030 --> 00:48:34,160
oh you're absolutely right and um i've

1221
00:48:37,670 --> 00:48:35,040
met

1222
00:48:40,470 --> 00:48:37,680
quite a lot of abductees i have a friend

1223
00:48:41,670 --> 00:48:40,480
who's a long-term abductee

1224
00:48:43,589 --> 00:48:41,680
and he

1225
00:48:45,589 --> 00:48:43,599
talks in terms of being

1226
00:48:49,270 --> 00:48:45,599
taken aboard ufos

1227
00:48:51,589 --> 00:48:49,280
of reptilians and all sorts of stuff

1228
00:48:53,270 --> 00:48:51,599
like this but of course um

1229
00:48:55,750 --> 00:48:53,280
there's no chance that

1230
00:48:58,470 --> 00:48:55,760
anyone like me as an outsider could get

1231
00:49:01,109 --> 00:48:58,480
to see or meet these reptilians so i

1232
00:49:02,390 --> 00:49:01,119
think um the vast amount of this is

1233
00:49:03,670 --> 00:49:02,400
stuff going on

1234
00:49:06,230 --> 00:49:03,680
in his head

1235
00:49:09,190 --> 00:49:06,240
and then stuff going on your head gets

1236
00:49:11,829 --> 00:49:09,200
maybe if you have hypnotic regressions

1237
00:49:13,109 --> 00:49:11,839
this one comes out and it forms into

1238
00:49:14,790 --> 00:49:13,119
some kind of a

1239
00:49:16,790 --> 00:49:14,800
memory and

1240
00:49:19,030 --> 00:49:16,800
i think a lot of abductees absolutely

1241
00:49:20,950 --> 00:49:19,040
believe what they say has happened to

1242
00:49:22,790 --> 00:49:20,960
them but i don't think it was

1243
00:49:25,190 --> 00:49:22,800
a physical thing which happened to them

1244
00:49:27,270 --> 00:49:25,200
i don't think they were physically taken

1245
00:49:30,150 --> 00:49:27,280
up into a ufo and

1246
00:49:32,390 --> 00:49:30,160
probed or impregnated or anything of

1247
00:49:33,510 --> 00:49:32,400
that kind i i think that is in their

1248
00:49:35,910 --> 00:49:33,520
heads

1249
00:49:36,630 --> 00:49:35,920
you think that's true in every case

1250
00:49:38,710 --> 00:49:36,640
well

1251
00:49:40,870 --> 00:49:38,720
i i i don't want to make any complete

1252
00:49:43,589 --> 00:49:40,880
generalization i will only speak about

1253
00:49:45,030 --> 00:49:43,599
cases i know about because

1254
00:49:47,750 --> 00:49:45,040
and i will only

1255
00:49:50,150 --> 00:49:47,760
venture an opinion um

1256
00:49:52,390 --> 00:49:50,160
on cases i know about if i don't have

1257
00:49:54,150 --> 00:49:52,400
any hard facts whatever every time i say

1258
00:49:56,309 --> 00:49:54,160
say to the amp black cheese okay we'll

1259
00:49:59,750 --> 00:49:56,319
share some evidence and some photographs

1260
00:50:01,670 --> 00:49:59,760
some uh which is a piece of a flying

1261
00:50:03,750 --> 00:50:01,680
saucer which maybe you've brought back

1262
00:50:05,670 --> 00:50:03,760
or something of this kind and because

1263
00:50:08,870 --> 00:50:05,680
they never have it they're always

1264
00:50:11,829 --> 00:50:08,880
seeking to validate the fact that

1265
00:50:12,950 --> 00:50:11,839
their abduction was a real physical

1266
00:50:14,069 --> 00:50:12,960
event

1267
00:50:15,670 --> 00:50:14,079
but

1268
00:50:17,829 --> 00:50:15,680
as far as i can see

1269
00:50:19,910 --> 00:50:17,839
none of them ever succeeded in doing

1270
00:50:22,150 --> 00:50:19,920
that to

1271
00:50:23,349 --> 00:50:22,160
the satisfaction of any serious cfo

1272
00:50:26,069 --> 00:50:23,359
reception

1273
00:50:28,150 --> 00:50:26,079
is there any possibility they are at

1274
00:50:30,390 --> 00:50:28,160
least subconsciously interacting with an

1275
00:50:33,190 --> 00:50:30,400
external force

1276
00:50:35,349 --> 00:50:33,200
they may be subconsciously interacting

1277
00:50:37,829 --> 00:50:35,359
with uh

1278
00:50:39,829 --> 00:50:37,839
some kind of external intelligence but

1279
00:50:42,470 --> 00:50:39,839
it's probably not the physical

1280
00:50:44,870 --> 00:50:42,480
intelligence it's probably more like

1281
00:50:46,630 --> 00:50:44,880
something jack valet talks about this

1282
00:50:49,109 --> 00:50:46,640
this is something which has been with us

1283
00:50:50,950 --> 00:50:49,119
for a very long time nowadays it's in

1284
00:50:53,910 --> 00:50:50,960
the guise of

1285
00:50:54,950 --> 00:50:53,920
spaceships and aliens and so on but we

1286
00:50:56,710 --> 00:50:54,960
were having

1287
00:50:59,270 --> 00:50:56,720
interactions with

1288
00:51:00,549 --> 00:50:59,280
devils and fairies and goodness knows

1289
00:51:02,230 --> 00:51:00,559
what

1290
00:51:03,750 --> 00:51:02,240
for hundreds of years and that's how

1291
00:51:05,589 --> 00:51:03,760
people thought of it

1292
00:51:07,910 --> 00:51:05,599
so then what you're saying and we'll get

1293
00:51:10,549 --> 00:51:07,920
into this in our next segment is that

1294
00:51:11,670 --> 00:51:10,559
the cultural meme of the time

1295
00:51:13,670 --> 00:51:11,680
colors

1296
00:51:14,710 --> 00:51:13,680
our perception of such events so if it

1297
00:51:16,710 --> 00:51:14,720
happens

1298
00:51:19,109 --> 00:51:16,720
well if we think about fairies and elves

1299
00:51:20,230 --> 00:51:19,119
that's what it is if we think about grey

1300
00:51:22,630 --> 00:51:20,240
aliens

1301
00:51:24,950 --> 00:51:22,640
and about the culture

1302
00:51:27,190 --> 00:51:24,960
of believing in grey aliens that's who

1303
00:51:29,589 --> 00:51:27,200
visits us we got more to come with

1304
00:51:31,990 --> 00:51:29,599
george wingfield kirk collins is our

1305
00:51:38,150 --> 00:51:32,000
guest co-host i'm gene steinberg you're

1306
00:51:42,470 --> 00:51:39,670
not just an alternative to the

1307
00:51:46,470 --> 00:51:42,480
mainstream media we're the premier

1308
00:51:48,230 --> 00:51:46,480
independent talk radio network we are g

1309
00:51:49,990 --> 00:51:48,240
c n

1310
00:51:51,990 --> 00:51:50,000
first game attack of the rockoids and it

1311
00:51:53,349 --> 00:51:52,000
was a critically acclaimed success and

1312
00:51:55,270 --> 00:51:53,359
now there is the coming of the

1313
00:51:57,430 --> 00:51:55,280
protectors a former military

1314
00:51:59,589 --> 00:51:57,440
intelligence man is contacted by a space

1315
00:52:02,230 --> 00:51:59,599
woman in a dream a dream that turns out

1316
00:52:03,829 --> 00:52:02,240
to be a nightmare because evil forces on

1317
00:52:06,069 --> 00:52:03,839
her distant planet are planning to

1318
00:52:08,630 --> 00:52:06,079
conquer the earth this is gripping

1319
00:52:10,470 --> 00:52:08,640
science fiction of the classic kind

1320
00:52:12,510 --> 00:52:10,480
attack of the rockoids and the coming of

1321
00:52:15,390 --> 00:52:12,520
the protectors find out more at

1322
00:52:17,750 --> 00:52:15,400
rockoaids.com that's rockoids

1323
00:52:19,510 --> 00:52:17,760
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1324
00:52:21,030 --> 00:52:19,520
hi this is ted anderson have you ever

1325
00:52:22,630 --> 00:52:21,040
wondered why banks stock brokers

1326
00:52:24,630 --> 00:52:22,640
investment advisors won't talk about

1327
00:52:26,950 --> 00:52:24,640
gold iras they've been available since

1328
00:52:28,710 --> 00:52:26,960
1986 yet the financial industry won't

1329
00:52:30,710 --> 00:52:28,720
recognize the value of gold for your

1330
00:52:32,950 --> 00:52:30,720
retirement gold has outperformed paper

1331
00:52:34,470 --> 00:52:32,960
investments yet no word about iras if

1332
00:52:36,589 --> 00:52:34,480
you would like to have gold for your

1333
00:52:38,870 --> 00:52:36,599
retirement call

1334
00:52:40,870 --> 00:52:38,880
800-686-2237 don't get left behind by

1335
00:52:51,030 --> 00:52:40,880
rising inflation and low returns call

1336
00:52:55,190 --> 00:52:53,109
this alert just came in this special

1337
00:52:57,270 --> 00:52:55,200
announcement is for business owners and

1338
00:53:00,069 --> 00:52:57,280
leaders of organizations who've been

1339
00:53:01,990 --> 00:53:00,079
waiting for the right time to build

1340
00:53:04,069 --> 00:53:02,000
general steel has made it impossible to

1341
00:53:06,230 --> 00:53:04,079
wait any longer with rock bottom prices

1342
00:53:08,470 --> 00:53:06,240
that could save you thousands that's

1343
00:53:10,549 --> 00:53:08,480
right general steele america's leader in

1344
00:53:12,470 --> 00:53:10,559
pre-engineered structures is offering

1345
00:53:14,950 --> 00:53:12,480
buildings at prices you will never see

1346
00:53:16,630 --> 00:53:14,960
again don't miss these prices a fifty by

1347
00:53:18,309 --> 00:53:16,640
one hundred for thirty five thousand

1348
00:53:19,750 --> 00:53:18,319
dollars you heard right that's five

1349
00:53:21,589 --> 00:53:19,760
thousand square feet for thirty five

1350
00:53:23,349 --> 00:53:21,599
thousand dollars manufacturers if you

1351
00:53:25,030 --> 00:53:23,359
need a larger building try a one hundred

1352
00:53:26,710 --> 00:53:25,040
by one hundred commercial building for a

1353
00:53:28,470 --> 00:53:26,720
hundred and twenty nine thousand you

1354
00:53:30,710 --> 00:53:28,480
can't afford to rent with these prices

1355
00:53:32,630 --> 00:53:30,720
imagine a 70 by 100 foot church building

1356
00:53:34,710 --> 00:53:32,640
for under 69 000

1357
00:53:36,950 --> 00:53:34,720
with the economy improving and interest

1358
00:53:41,190 --> 00:53:36,960
rates still at historic lows you can't

1359
00:53:45,109 --> 00:53:41,200
afford to wait so call 866 91 steel lock

1360
00:53:52,930 --> 00:53:45,119
in your price now call 866 91 steel

1361
00:53:52,940 --> 00:53:56,790
[Music]

1362
00:54:03,750 --> 00:54:00,069
welcome back to the paracast the gold

1363
00:54:04,950 --> 00:54:03,760
standard of paranormal radio

1364
00:54:08,350 --> 00:54:04,960
and now

1365
00:54:11,829 --> 00:54:08,360
here's gene steinberg

1366
00:54:16,390 --> 00:54:13,589
so chris of brian's taking another week

1367
00:54:19,349 --> 00:54:16,400
off our guest is george wingfield

1368
00:54:21,589 --> 00:54:19,359
outspoken ufo investigator a lot more to

1369
00:54:23,910 --> 00:54:21,599
come we're going to move off the

1370
00:54:25,510 --> 00:54:23,920
abductions right now and i want to get

1371
00:54:28,710 --> 00:54:25,520
into something that's kurt collins

1372
00:54:30,630 --> 00:54:28,720
territory and that is

1373
00:54:32,630 --> 00:54:30,640
cash landrum

1374
00:54:35,349 --> 00:54:32,640
curtis accumulated a lot of information

1375
00:54:37,510 --> 00:54:35,359
has been on the power cast and we've

1376
00:54:40,390 --> 00:54:37,520
also mentioned the fact that this case

1377
00:54:41,990 --> 00:54:40,400
occurred in december 1980 rendelsham

1378
00:54:43,829 --> 00:54:42,000
forest uk

1379
00:54:45,510 --> 00:54:43,839
december 1980.

1380
00:54:47,829 --> 00:54:45,520
george what

1381
00:54:49,990 --> 00:54:47,839
perceptions do you have of a connection

1382
00:54:51,430 --> 00:54:50,000
between the two and i'll ask kurt to

1383
00:54:53,510 --> 00:54:51,440
follow up after that

1384
00:54:56,309 --> 00:54:53,520
george well i was going to make a

1385
00:54:58,870 --> 00:54:56,319
connection between three things not just

1386
00:55:01,030 --> 00:54:58,880
cash landrum and bent waters rentals and

1387
00:55:05,829 --> 00:55:01,040
forest but

1388
00:55:09,430 --> 00:55:05,839
everything which is going on in 1980

1389
00:55:11,910 --> 00:55:09,440
curtin air force base with paul benowitz

1390
00:55:13,190 --> 00:55:11,920
and all of that stuff including this

1391
00:55:16,950 --> 00:55:13,200
information

1392
00:55:17,750 --> 00:55:16,960
and a lot of activity by the nsa

1393
00:55:24,950 --> 00:55:17,760
and

1394
00:55:27,030 --> 00:55:24,960
certainly paul

1395
00:55:29,910 --> 00:55:27,040
benowitz is being told about

1396
00:55:32,230 --> 00:55:29,920
secret aircraft secret projects some

1397
00:55:35,030 --> 00:55:32,240
atomic plane

1398
00:55:36,069 --> 00:55:35,040
all sorts of uh stuff whether it was

1399
00:55:39,430 --> 00:55:36,079
true or not

1400
00:55:40,470 --> 00:55:39,440
we simply don't know and um there was

1401
00:55:42,230 --> 00:55:40,480
uh

1402
00:55:46,549 --> 00:55:42,240
the

1403
00:55:50,309 --> 00:55:46,559
doty that a lot of this was happening up

1404
00:55:52,150 --> 00:55:50,319
at near dulce and and all of this is in

1405
00:55:55,510 --> 00:55:52,160
um project beta

1406
00:55:57,190 --> 00:55:55,520
it's also in uh greg valdez's book um

1407
00:56:01,270 --> 00:55:57,200
called dulce bass

1408
00:56:02,430 --> 00:56:01,280
now a lot of that was false and

1409
00:56:04,470 --> 00:56:02,440
it was

1410
00:56:07,270 --> 00:56:04,480
disinformation that there were things

1411
00:56:10,549 --> 00:56:07,280
going on indeed but it was um disguised

1412
00:56:12,950 --> 00:56:10,559
as uh maybe alien stuff then we get to

1413
00:56:14,710 --> 00:56:12,960
cash landrum if you read project beta

1414
00:56:17,589 --> 00:56:14,720
you'll find that of course that's

1415
00:56:20,470 --> 00:56:17,599
mentioned in in the book and paul

1416
00:56:23,030 --> 00:56:20,480
benowitz was aware of this and he

1417
00:56:25,829 --> 00:56:23,040
was thinking in terms of whatever betty

1418
00:56:29,270 --> 00:56:25,839
cash and vicki landrum saw and what

1419
00:56:31,589 --> 00:56:29,280
which affected them and uh injured them

1420
00:56:33,670 --> 00:56:31,599
uh was of alien origin

1421
00:56:37,190 --> 00:56:33,680
well i don't think it was alien origin i

1422
00:56:39,670 --> 00:56:37,200
think it was a us military origin

1423
00:56:42,549 --> 00:56:39,680
and um there's absolutely no doubt about

1424
00:56:43,510 --> 00:56:42,559
it a large number of helicopters did

1425
00:56:46,069 --> 00:56:43,520
appear

1426
00:56:46,870 --> 00:56:46,079
and other people saw these helicopters

1427
00:56:49,589 --> 00:56:46,880
which

1428
00:56:51,910 --> 00:56:49,599
i think in most of the accounts

1429
00:56:52,950 --> 00:56:51,920
were shepherding this

1430
00:56:53,829 --> 00:56:52,960
craft

1431
00:56:57,430 --> 00:56:53,839
which

1432
00:56:59,750 --> 00:56:57,440
the road um

1433
00:57:03,030 --> 00:56:59,760
not really all that far away perhaps uh

1434
00:57:05,750 --> 00:57:03,040
30 40 yards away from betty cash and

1435
00:57:07,109 --> 00:57:05,760
vicki landrum and caused them

1436
00:57:08,710 --> 00:57:07,119
pretty severe

1437
00:57:10,390 --> 00:57:08,720
radiation burns

1438
00:57:14,230 --> 00:57:10,400
there may be a very good reason to think

1439
00:57:16,150 --> 00:57:14,240
that was something of a nuclear

1440
00:57:19,910 --> 00:57:16,160
some kind of nuclear reactor which is

1441
00:57:22,950 --> 00:57:19,920
being used in in this mysterious um

1442
00:57:25,030 --> 00:57:22,960
object and from there just connect up to

1443
00:57:28,069 --> 00:57:25,040
bentwater's game we have

1444
00:57:29,349 --> 00:57:28,079
john burroughs and jim panister who

1445
00:57:31,670 --> 00:57:29,359
encountered

1446
00:57:34,630 --> 00:57:31,680
a strange object which came down in the

1447
00:57:36,390 --> 00:57:34,640
forest at in reynoldson forest they were

1448
00:57:38,230 --> 00:57:36,400
sent out to look at it jim patterson

1449
00:57:40,950 --> 00:57:38,240
says he actually touched it

1450
00:57:42,150 --> 00:57:40,960
and a lot of what's been written about

1451
00:57:44,789 --> 00:57:42,160
um

1452
00:57:46,630 --> 00:57:44,799
reynolds and forest in that episode in

1453
00:57:48,789 --> 00:57:46,640
recent years

1454
00:57:51,750 --> 00:57:48,799
is that um

1455
00:57:53,349 --> 00:57:51,760
john barrows and tim peniston have been

1456
00:57:55,990 --> 00:57:53,359
unable to get their

1457
00:57:57,589 --> 00:57:56,000
medical records from that time

1458
00:57:58,630 --> 00:57:57,599
when they when they were serving on that

1459
00:58:01,750 --> 00:57:58,640
base

1460
00:58:03,030 --> 00:58:01,760
in december 1980 and the records have

1461
00:58:05,670 --> 00:58:03,040
been uh

1462
00:58:09,030 --> 00:58:05,680
classified as um

1463
00:58:12,069 --> 00:58:09,040
they've been classified as top secret

1464
00:58:14,549 --> 00:58:12,079
and not available not even to venison

1465
00:58:15,670 --> 00:58:14,559
and burrows and

1466
00:58:17,030 --> 00:58:15,680
i think

1467
00:58:19,510 --> 00:58:17,040
they enlisted

1468
00:58:21,829 --> 00:58:19,520
some lawyers in arizona and they also

1469
00:58:24,069 --> 00:58:21,839
got john mccain to try and seed on their

1470
00:58:25,829 --> 00:58:24,079
behalf because they said they had health

1471
00:58:28,150 --> 00:58:25,839
issues which had resulted from this

1472
00:58:29,829 --> 00:58:28,160
episode back in 1980.

1473
00:58:31,670 --> 00:58:29,839
just to tell our listeners

1474
00:58:33,589 --> 00:58:31,680
we had an attorney

1475
00:58:35,589 --> 00:58:33,599
john burroughs and nick pope on the

1476
00:58:37,750 --> 00:58:35,599
power cast a few weeks ago

1477
00:58:38,950 --> 00:58:37,760
to talk about getting the va

1478
00:58:42,309 --> 00:58:38,960
to cover

1479
00:58:43,750 --> 00:58:42,319
the injuries that he received right okay

1480
00:58:46,390 --> 00:58:43,760
um i don't know if they've made any

1481
00:58:48,230 --> 00:58:46,400
progress with recovering these records

1482
00:58:50,710 --> 00:58:48,240
the medical records

1483
00:58:52,470 --> 00:58:50,720
but i do know that uh

1484
00:58:54,309 --> 00:58:52,480
in case you hadn't noticed that is what

1485
00:58:56,950 --> 00:58:54,319
linda harvey's going to be talking about

1486
00:58:57,910 --> 00:58:56,960
at the ozark ufo conference in eureka

1487
00:59:00,309 --> 00:58:57,920
springs

1488
00:59:02,789 --> 00:59:00,319
which starts next week

1489
00:59:04,870 --> 00:59:02,799
the uh the the development and and this

1490
00:59:07,109 --> 00:59:04,880
is what the the show is largely about

1491
00:59:09,270 --> 00:59:07,119
with uh with uh boros was that the the

1492
00:59:10,390 --> 00:59:09,280
va has finally admitted

1493
00:59:11,349 --> 00:59:10,400
um

1494
00:59:13,430 --> 00:59:11,359
uh

1495
00:59:15,349 --> 00:59:13,440
will process his claims and he's

1496
00:59:17,990 --> 00:59:15,359
received assistance for his health

1497
00:59:20,230 --> 00:59:18,000
problems and a lot is being made of that

1498
00:59:22,630 --> 00:59:20,240
uh in fact he he posted

1499
00:59:24,549 --> 00:59:22,640
uh burroughs posted uh on facebook a

1500
00:59:26,549 --> 00:59:24,559
bombshell revelation about the renders

1501
00:59:28,150 --> 00:59:26,559
from forest incident has just been made

1502
00:59:29,910 --> 00:59:28,160
this latest news has profound

1503
00:59:31,109 --> 00:59:29,920
implications not just for the

1504
00:59:34,470 --> 00:59:31,119
understanding of what happened at

1505
00:59:36,230 --> 00:59:34,480
rendelsham but for ufology as a whole so

1506
00:59:39,109 --> 00:59:36,240
just the processing of this medical

1507
00:59:40,710 --> 00:59:39,119
claim he and and even nick pope are

1508
00:59:42,470 --> 00:59:40,720
taking this to mean

1509
00:59:45,190 --> 00:59:42,480
or to have the potential to mean

1510
00:59:47,750 --> 00:59:45,200
something far more

1511
00:59:49,589 --> 00:59:47,760
so uh uh i don't quite understand what

1512
00:59:52,309 --> 00:59:49,599
burroughs is now saying does he say that

1513
00:59:55,829 --> 00:59:52,319
he has got the medical records or that

1514
00:59:58,390 --> 00:59:55,839
he has got word that he he was uh

1515
01:00:00,710 --> 00:59:58,400
exposed to nuclear radiation of some

1516
01:00:01,750 --> 01:00:00,720
kind in reynolds and forest on that

1517
01:00:03,510 --> 01:00:01,760
occasion

1518
01:00:04,789 --> 01:00:03,520
all we're certain of is he's received

1519
01:00:08,309 --> 01:00:04,799
treatment

1520
01:00:10,069 --> 01:00:08,319
he had a heart valve operation

1521
01:00:12,069 --> 01:00:10,079
yeah that's right but do we know that

1522
01:00:14,789 --> 01:00:12,079
that is connected with

1523
01:00:17,670 --> 01:00:14,799
his exposure to whatever this ufo was

1524
01:00:20,789 --> 01:00:17,680
which came down in russian forest

1525
01:00:22,630 --> 01:00:20,799
that that is that is his position

1526
01:00:24,789 --> 01:00:22,640
but i don't know that we've seen any

1527
01:00:25,750 --> 01:00:24,799
proof on that but that that's that's

1528
01:00:28,710 --> 01:00:25,760
where

1529
01:00:30,230 --> 01:00:28,720
so many claims of of like the well we as

1530
01:00:31,589 --> 01:00:30,240
you were mentioned medical records so

1531
01:00:34,230 --> 01:00:31,599
many of uh

1532
01:00:36,870 --> 01:00:34,240
in this case it's uh the researchers uh

1533
01:00:38,549 --> 01:00:36,880
john schussler and uh who investigated

1534
01:00:39,510 --> 01:00:38,559
the cash lantern case

1535
01:00:41,750 --> 01:00:39,520
uh

1536
01:00:43,910 --> 01:00:41,760
shepherded the medical records of betty

1537
01:00:45,829 --> 01:00:43,920
cash so it was only secondhand

1538
01:00:46,950 --> 01:00:45,839
information that we received about that

1539
01:00:48,630 --> 01:00:46,960
you know certainly there were some

1540
01:00:50,230 --> 01:00:48,640
injuries but when they were actually

1541
01:00:51,109 --> 01:00:50,240
radiation burns

1542
01:00:54,829 --> 01:00:51,119
has

1543
01:00:59,589 --> 01:00:57,670
yeah well of course um

1544
01:01:02,390 --> 01:00:59,599
i i've uh

1545
01:01:03,430 --> 01:01:02,400
had a great interest in the cash landrum

1546
01:01:06,150 --> 01:01:03,440
business

1547
01:01:07,589 --> 01:01:06,160
and i think um

1548
01:01:10,309 --> 01:01:07,599
you know i've asked

1549
01:01:12,309 --> 01:01:10,319
people like john alexander what was

1550
01:01:15,430 --> 01:01:12,319
going on here and

1551
01:01:17,270 --> 01:01:15,440
he always refers one to a friend of his

1552
01:01:21,109 --> 01:01:17,280
called george saran who was in the

1553
01:01:25,430 --> 01:01:23,270
who was getting the job of finding out

1554
01:01:28,069 --> 01:01:25,440
exactly what was going on

1555
01:01:31,270 --> 01:01:28,079
and he investigated every

1556
01:01:34,470 --> 01:01:31,280
possible military outfit army air force

1557
01:01:37,190 --> 01:01:34,480
whatever which could have supplied the

1558
01:01:39,589 --> 01:01:37,200
23 helicopters which

1559
01:01:41,750 --> 01:01:39,599
betty cash and vicky landrum

1560
01:01:44,950 --> 01:01:41,760
saw with this object

1561
01:01:47,030 --> 01:01:44,960
and george saran came back

1562
01:01:49,750 --> 01:01:47,040
and said well

1563
01:01:52,710 --> 01:01:49,760
these helicopters do not belong to any

1564
01:01:54,549 --> 01:01:52,720
military unit

1565
01:01:57,670 --> 01:01:54,559
that we can see so

1566
01:02:00,230 --> 01:01:57,680
the injuries to cash and landrum uh are

1567
01:02:02,789 --> 01:02:00,240
really not the responsibility of the u.s

1568
01:02:05,030 --> 01:02:02,799
military or u.s government and we're

1569
01:02:06,470 --> 01:02:05,040
going to wash our hands of it and

1570
01:02:08,950 --> 01:02:06,480
that is that

1571
01:02:12,390 --> 01:02:08,960
but that is simply not true

1572
01:02:14,710 --> 01:02:12,400
um i don't know if you saw um

1573
01:02:18,710 --> 01:02:14,720
an episode in the

1574
01:02:20,789 --> 01:02:18,720
ufo hunters bill burns show and this was

1575
01:02:22,870 --> 01:02:20,799
possibly last year or it might have been

1576
01:02:25,270 --> 01:02:22,880
the year before but anyway you could

1577
01:02:26,309 --> 01:02:25,280
probably find it out there on netflix or

1578
01:02:28,870 --> 01:02:26,319
somewhere

1579
01:02:31,750 --> 01:02:28,880
and um bill burns

1580
01:02:33,109 --> 01:02:31,760
had got hold of um

1581
01:02:34,870 --> 01:02:33,119
a written note

1582
01:02:36,470 --> 01:02:34,880
which is in the in the handwriting of

1583
01:02:37,510 --> 01:02:36,480
george serrano

1584
01:02:43,750 --> 01:02:37,520
and

1585
01:02:45,030 --> 01:02:43,760
john grey airfield near fort hood in

1586
01:02:46,549 --> 01:02:45,040
texas

1587
01:02:48,390 --> 01:02:46,559
that very night

1588
01:02:51,270 --> 01:02:48,400
100 helicopters

1589
01:02:53,510 --> 01:02:51,280
so some extraordinary operation or

1590
01:02:54,470 --> 01:02:53,520
rehearsal was going on

1591
01:02:56,870 --> 01:02:54,480
uh

1592
01:03:00,309 --> 01:02:56,880
and the u.s military

1593
01:03:04,230 --> 01:03:00,319
chose to deny it and bill burns

1594
01:03:06,710 --> 01:03:04,240
confronted uh george saran on camera

1595
01:03:09,990 --> 01:03:06,720
and said look here's this note it's in

1596
01:03:11,990 --> 01:03:10,000
your handwriting uh what do you say and

1597
01:03:15,029 --> 01:03:12,000
saran was obviously highly embarrassed

1598
01:03:19,750 --> 01:03:15,039
and he just sort of stonewalled and said

1599
01:03:21,430 --> 01:03:19,760
well i don't know i really don't know um

1600
01:03:22,950 --> 01:03:21,440
i know nothing of that

1601
01:03:24,230 --> 01:03:22,960
well that's very interesting and we're

1602
01:03:27,109 --> 01:03:24,240
going to have to figure that out in the

1603
01:03:29,109 --> 01:03:27,119
next segment as we explore

1604
01:03:30,789 --> 01:03:29,119
all these crazy things going on in

1605
01:03:32,870 --> 01:03:30,799
connection with that case

1606
01:03:35,029 --> 01:03:32,880
with george wingfield

1607
01:03:37,910 --> 01:03:35,039
kurt collins is our guest co-host this

1608
01:03:42,420 --> 01:03:37,920
week i'm gene steinberg you're in the

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joining us and we're tearing apart some

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of the old cases trying to look for new

1727
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connections kirk do you want to follow

1728
01:08:30,789 --> 01:08:28,880
up with george i have a brief statement

1729
01:08:33,189 --> 01:08:30,799
i think i have the explanation for that

1730
01:08:35,269 --> 01:08:33,199
100 helicopters memo

1731
01:08:36,229 --> 01:08:35,279
george soran was a

1732
01:08:40,550 --> 01:08:36,239
a

1733
01:08:42,229 --> 01:08:40,560
with john schussler

1734
01:08:45,749 --> 01:08:42,239
that was a statement he was repeating

1735
01:08:49,269 --> 01:08:45,759
from john schuster that a um

1736
01:08:51,990 --> 01:08:49,279
a base spokesman had given to him as an

1737
01:08:53,510 --> 01:08:52,000
example that sometimes 100 helicopters

1738
01:08:54,470 --> 01:08:53,520
so i think that this is actually

1739
01:08:56,950 --> 01:08:54,480
something

1740
01:08:58,789 --> 01:08:56,960
that has snowballed as a myth

1741
01:09:00,229 --> 01:08:58,799
but that doesn't mean that there weren't

1742
01:09:04,829 --> 01:09:00,239
helicopters there but i think this

1743
01:09:10,070 --> 01:09:08,630
of i think some selective ufo reporting

1744
01:09:12,070 --> 01:09:10,080
in in the case of

1745
01:09:14,309 --> 01:09:12,080
of john schuster because i'm sure he was

1746
01:09:15,910 --> 01:09:14,319
fully aware of this and it chose not to

1747
01:09:18,789 --> 01:09:15,920
highlight it because the document was

1748
01:09:22,470 --> 01:09:18,799
simply too good not to use

1749
01:09:23,430 --> 01:09:22,480
so um okay well i accept what you say

1750
01:09:26,630 --> 01:09:23,440
kurt

1751
01:09:27,749 --> 01:09:26,640
uh the note i believe was dated 29th

1752
01:09:30,309 --> 01:09:27,759
november

1753
01:09:33,590 --> 01:09:30,319
1980 which was the date of the cash

1754
01:09:35,269 --> 01:09:33,600
landrum incident i remember that uh i

1755
01:09:37,829 --> 01:09:35,279
think it's better casual ricky landrum

1756
01:09:40,229 --> 01:09:37,839
said uh they could clearly see

1757
01:09:43,749 --> 01:09:40,239
united states air force written on at

1758
01:09:44,630 --> 01:09:43,759
least one or two of these helicopters so

1759
01:09:46,070 --> 01:09:44,640
uh

1760
01:09:48,070 --> 01:09:46,080
the

1761
01:09:50,229 --> 01:09:48,080
scenario which um

1762
01:09:52,470 --> 01:09:50,239
various people have suggested okay this

1763
01:09:54,390 --> 01:09:52,480
was some kind of a virtual reality which

1764
01:09:57,910 --> 01:09:54,400
was um

1765
01:09:59,669 --> 01:09:57,920
implanted on on cash and landrum and it

1766
01:10:03,270 --> 01:09:59,679
was nothing to do with the u.s military

1767
01:10:04,790 --> 01:10:03,280
that doesn't ring true with me at all i

1768
01:10:06,310 --> 01:10:04,800
think it was everything to do with the

1769
01:10:09,430 --> 01:10:06,320
us military

1770
01:10:12,149 --> 01:10:09,440
and i will also suggest what um

1771
01:10:13,830 --> 01:10:12,159
sort of saying this strange flaming

1772
01:10:16,550 --> 01:10:13,840
object was which

1773
01:10:19,270 --> 01:10:16,560
did so much damage to poor betty cash

1774
01:10:21,750 --> 01:10:19,280
and vicki landrum people don't remember

1775
01:10:25,110 --> 01:10:21,760
people don't even think about the

1776
01:10:26,229 --> 01:10:25,120
political situation in 1980

1777
01:10:28,470 --> 01:10:26,239
and

1778
01:10:30,709 --> 01:10:28,480
this was uh during

1779
01:10:33,669 --> 01:10:30,719
jimmy carter's presidency it was just

1780
01:10:38,390 --> 01:10:33,679
coming to an end during 1980

1781
01:10:39,750 --> 01:10:38,400
uh was the time of the us hostage crisis

1782
01:10:40,870 --> 01:10:39,760
in iran

1783
01:10:43,110 --> 01:10:40,880
there were

1784
01:10:45,590 --> 01:10:43,120
all of these hostages taken from the u.s

1785
01:10:48,229 --> 01:10:45,600
embassy and being held by the iranians

1786
01:10:50,950 --> 01:10:48,239
and already in the middle of 1980 there

1787
01:10:53,110 --> 01:10:50,960
had been an attempt to rescue them

1788
01:10:56,070 --> 01:10:53,120
which was a botched attempt it failed

1789
01:10:59,110 --> 01:10:56,080
and several helicopters crashed in the

1790
01:11:00,229 --> 01:10:59,120
iranian desert uh which had been sent

1791
01:11:03,750 --> 01:11:00,239
off

1792
01:11:06,470 --> 01:11:03,760
u.s aircraft carriers uh to rescue on

1793
01:11:08,390 --> 01:11:06,480
this rescue the hostage mission

1794
01:11:09,990 --> 01:11:08,400
this had been a terrible failure so

1795
01:11:12,630 --> 01:11:10,000
several men were killed

1796
01:11:14,070 --> 01:11:12,640
and but everybody said including the

1797
01:11:15,910 --> 01:11:14,080
president said

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01:11:17,590 --> 01:11:15,920
we have to go on we'll find some way of

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01:11:18,790 --> 01:11:17,600
doing this we have got to rescue our

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01:11:20,870 --> 01:11:18,800
hostages

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01:11:23,750 --> 01:11:20,880
and um several

1802
01:11:26,310 --> 01:11:23,760
practices were made by various methods

1803
01:11:28,790 --> 01:11:26,320
and i think that what was happening

1804
01:11:31,350 --> 01:11:28,800
during the cash landrum incident was a

1805
01:11:33,270 --> 01:11:31,360
rehearsal for yet another rescue

1806
01:11:34,950 --> 01:11:33,280
operation it was probably a dress

1807
01:11:38,149 --> 01:11:34,960
rehearsal

1808
01:11:40,390 --> 01:11:38,159
these helicopters may have flown off an

1809
01:11:42,390 --> 01:11:40,400
aircraft carrier in the gulf they flew

1810
01:11:44,709 --> 01:11:42,400
in over the coast

1811
01:11:47,270 --> 01:11:44,719
near houston and

1812
01:11:49,110 --> 01:11:47,280
with them was this strange object now

1813
01:11:51,270 --> 01:11:49,120
whether the object was under its own

1814
01:11:53,750 --> 01:11:51,280
power or not i don't know it could have

1815
01:11:55,590 --> 01:11:53,760
been slung underneath a chinook

1816
01:11:58,870 --> 01:11:55,600
helicopter you know big twin router

1817
01:12:00,310 --> 01:11:58,880
helicopter and it could have been um

1818
01:12:02,630 --> 01:12:00,320
lowered onto the road but it may have

1819
01:12:04,550 --> 01:12:02,640
been something under its own power

1820
01:12:06,630 --> 01:12:04,560
if this was something that was going to

1821
01:12:08,950 --> 01:12:06,640
be used in connection with the

1822
01:12:10,950 --> 01:12:08,960
train trying to

1823
01:12:12,950 --> 01:12:10,960
get the hostages out of the where they

1824
01:12:14,950 --> 01:12:12,960
were being held in tehran

1825
01:12:16,310 --> 01:12:14,960
one suggestion which i i didn't see

1826
01:12:17,669 --> 01:12:16,320
which i think is

1827
01:12:19,910 --> 01:12:17,679
highly possible

1828
01:12:21,590 --> 01:12:19,920
is that they were they had some kind of

1829
01:12:25,270 --> 01:12:21,600
a lighting

1830
01:12:28,070 --> 01:12:25,280
device a huge device um possibly powered

1831
01:12:30,390 --> 01:12:28,080
by a small nuclear reactor it gets more

1832
01:12:33,350 --> 01:12:30,400
nuclear reactors which weigh

1833
01:12:34,310 --> 01:12:33,360
oh maybe 15 20 tons or something of that

1834
01:12:37,750 --> 01:12:34,320
kind

1835
01:12:39,430 --> 01:12:37,760
and if you had a lighting device this is

1836
01:12:42,149 --> 01:12:39,440
just one suggestion

1837
01:12:43,750 --> 01:12:42,159
you could fly that in to the building

1838
01:12:45,590 --> 01:12:43,760
where the hostage is being held on the

1839
01:12:47,990 --> 01:12:45,600
outskirts of tehran

1840
01:12:50,550 --> 01:12:48,000
and you could fire it up everything will

1841
01:12:52,390 --> 01:12:50,560
be immensely bright the revolutionary

1842
01:12:53,750 --> 01:12:52,400
guards who were holding the hostages

1843
01:12:55,750 --> 01:12:53,760
wouldn't be able to see what they were

1844
01:12:57,910 --> 01:12:55,760
doing they wouldn't be able to

1845
01:12:59,350 --> 01:12:57,920
resist the um

1846
01:13:01,590 --> 01:12:59,360
delta force

1847
01:13:03,030 --> 01:13:01,600
marines or the special don't force

1848
01:13:04,550 --> 01:13:03,040
people whoever they were

1849
01:13:06,229 --> 01:13:04,560
who would come in and rescue the

1850
01:13:09,669 --> 01:13:06,239
hostages and they they of course would

1851
01:13:11,990 --> 01:13:09,679
be wearing special visors which would

1852
01:13:13,750 --> 01:13:12,000
shield them from the immensely bright

1853
01:13:15,510 --> 01:13:13,760
light i i

1854
01:13:17,990 --> 01:13:15,520
feel pretty

1855
01:13:21,270 --> 01:13:18,000
certain that this was something to do

1856
01:13:24,229 --> 01:13:21,280
with the ongoing efforts to to

1857
01:13:26,950 --> 01:13:24,239
pull off such an operation to rescue the

1858
01:13:29,430 --> 01:13:26,960
american hostages in tehran that's a

1859
01:13:30,550 --> 01:13:29,440
very interesting scenario and i i've

1860
01:13:33,110 --> 01:13:30,560
been looking

1861
01:13:34,870 --> 01:13:33,120
pretty hard at trying to find any any

1862
01:13:38,229 --> 01:13:34,880
evidence i did find someone who served

1863
01:13:40,470 --> 01:13:38,239
with the helicopter unit a bit later and

1864
01:13:42,630 --> 01:13:40,480
he he discussed some of the techniques

1865
01:13:45,110 --> 01:13:42,640
and things but you know there's yet to

1866
01:13:46,870 --> 01:13:45,120
be a really good connection and and if

1867
01:13:48,950 --> 01:13:46,880
the device was built

1868
01:13:51,350 --> 01:13:48,960
there would be some

1869
01:13:53,110 --> 01:13:51,360
trace of manufacturer the engineers or

1870
01:13:55,750 --> 01:13:53,120
something usually there's a long period

1871
01:13:57,590 --> 01:13:55,760
of development but um i wanted to say

1872
01:13:59,590 --> 01:13:57,600
real quick uh you you were talking about

1873
01:14:02,709 --> 01:13:59,600
the connections between cash landrum and

1874
01:14:05,189 --> 01:14:02,719
and ibenowitz one of those connections

1875
01:14:07,750 --> 01:14:05,199
was the lawyer in the uh cash landrum

1876
01:14:11,510 --> 01:14:07,760
case peter gerstin who is famous in the

1877
01:14:13,590 --> 01:14:11,520
70s and 80s for his attempt with

1878
01:14:14,470 --> 01:14:13,600
procuring documents from the us

1879
01:14:17,990 --> 01:14:14,480
government

1880
01:14:19,590 --> 01:14:18,000
well one of his meetings was with doty

1881
01:14:21,669 --> 01:14:19,600
and he was feeding him the same kind of

1882
01:14:23,990 --> 01:14:21,679
information he was giving uh

1883
01:14:26,149 --> 01:14:24,000
linda molten howe and and others and one

1884
01:14:27,430 --> 01:14:26,159
of the things he claimed was that the

1885
01:14:30,390 --> 01:14:27,440
cash land of

1886
01:14:32,070 --> 01:14:30,400
ufo was uh this the same information

1887
01:14:34,709 --> 01:14:32,080
that the benowitz had claimed to have

1888
01:14:37,750 --> 01:14:34,719
had received that it was some sort of uh

1889
01:14:39,510 --> 01:14:37,760
alien u.s project or either ufo on loan

1890
01:14:42,630 --> 01:14:39,520
or something like that so

1891
01:14:44,470 --> 01:14:42,640
and i have no doubt whatsoever that doty

1892
01:14:46,870 --> 01:14:44,480
knew nothing of the truth

1893
01:14:49,270 --> 01:14:46,880
but that's never stopped him before

1894
01:14:51,910 --> 01:14:49,280
no i agree with that entirely peter

1895
01:14:56,310 --> 01:14:51,920
gerson didn't find uh

1896
01:14:58,709 --> 01:14:56,320
go and meet uh doty in um kirtland um

1897
01:15:00,229 --> 01:14:58,719
before lindahar went there and had talks

1898
01:15:02,070 --> 01:15:00,239
with uh

1899
01:15:04,070 --> 01:15:02,080
dodie and dodie gave a lot of

1900
01:15:06,310 --> 01:15:04,080
information saying that there was a

1901
01:15:07,750 --> 01:15:06,320
treaty between the u.s government and

1902
01:15:10,709 --> 01:15:07,760
the aliens and

1903
01:15:13,350 --> 01:15:10,719
the aliens were allowed to do so many

1904
01:15:17,350 --> 01:15:13,360
alien abductions and cattle mutilations

1905
01:15:20,070 --> 01:15:17,360
and so on and so he he was well in to

1906
01:15:22,149 --> 01:15:20,080
all that stuff over in albuquerque

1907
01:15:25,110 --> 01:15:22,159
and

1908
01:15:27,750 --> 01:15:25,120
then of course he turns up as the lawyer

1909
01:15:29,270 --> 01:15:27,760
or he's he's appointed by

1910
01:15:32,229 --> 01:15:29,280
caus

1911
01:15:33,189 --> 01:15:32,239
the law for betty cash and vicki landrum

1912
01:15:34,790 --> 01:15:33,199
in the

1913
01:15:37,430 --> 01:15:34,800
fight with the u.s government and he

1914
01:15:40,630 --> 01:15:37,440
advises them not to accept the original

1915
01:15:44,550 --> 01:15:40,640
deal and the original deal of course was

1916
01:15:46,790 --> 01:15:44,560
from the u.s government the military uh

1917
01:15:48,550 --> 01:15:46,800
we'll pay all your medical bills and

1918
01:15:51,189 --> 01:15:48,560
make sure you're taken care of but we

1919
01:15:53,830 --> 01:15:51,199
don't want any publicity who don't want

1920
01:15:56,310 --> 01:15:53,840
anything said about this i i believe

1921
01:15:59,990 --> 01:15:56,320
this was how it was done peter peter

1922
01:16:01,590 --> 01:16:00,000
gesten said um no i think you know

1923
01:16:03,990 --> 01:16:01,600
they're fooling you we've got to have

1924
01:16:06,070 --> 01:16:04,000
this out we've got to fight this and you

1925
01:16:07,270 --> 01:16:06,080
you should give millions of dollars

1926
01:16:09,189 --> 01:16:07,280
damages

1927
01:16:11,189 --> 01:16:09,199
from from the government because clearly

1928
01:16:13,750 --> 01:16:11,199
the government are responsible even even

1929
01:16:15,430 --> 01:16:13,760
if it was a alien spacecraft which the

1930
01:16:18,070 --> 01:16:15,440
government is um

1931
01:16:20,630 --> 01:16:18,080
using in exercises the government's

1932
01:16:22,310 --> 01:16:20,640
still responsible and uh this is what

1933
01:16:23,590 --> 01:16:22,320
peter gerson said

1934
01:16:25,270 --> 01:16:23,600
i've got more to come with george

1935
01:16:26,550 --> 01:16:25,280
wingfield i'm going to ask a few

1936
01:16:28,470 --> 01:16:26,560
questions about

1937
01:16:30,550 --> 01:16:28,480
peter gerson's involvement with curt

1938
01:16:37,669 --> 01:16:30,560
collins as our guest co-host

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for under 69 000 with the economy

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hi this is nick pope you're listening to

2040
01:21:00,550 --> 01:20:58,709
kurt collins is our guest co-host this

2041
01:21:01,830 --> 01:21:00,560
week george wingfield is our guest we're

2042
01:21:03,990 --> 01:21:01,840
talking about

2043
01:21:06,630 --> 01:21:04,000
peter gersten and his involvement in

2044
01:21:08,070 --> 01:21:06,640
getting or attempting to get payments

2045
01:21:11,030 --> 01:21:08,080
from the government

2046
01:21:12,950 --> 01:21:11,040
for cash landrum case

2047
01:21:14,550 --> 01:21:12,960
now what was the upshot of this

2048
01:21:15,750 --> 01:21:14,560
obviously he made some pretty severe

2049
01:21:17,750 --> 01:21:15,760
demands

2050
01:21:19,510 --> 01:21:17,760
well the government didn't like this at

2051
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all because the whole thing you know it

2052
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was out of the bag and receiving wide

2053
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publicity

2054
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and the decision must have been taken

2055
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you know we're going to absolutely deny

2056
01:21:33,350 --> 01:21:30,640
deny deny deny that we had

2057
01:21:34,950 --> 01:21:33,360
anything to do with this and okay if

2058
01:21:37,110 --> 01:21:34,960
betty cash and vicki landrum won't

2059
01:21:39,990 --> 01:21:37,120
accept what we offered uh they're on

2060
01:21:43,669 --> 01:21:40,000
their own and so when eventually betty

2061
01:21:46,310 --> 01:21:43,679
cash and vicki landrum said okay well we

2062
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will agree to your original deal about

2063
01:21:51,110 --> 01:21:48,800
medical expenses apparently the

2064
01:21:53,270 --> 01:21:51,120
government people said what deal

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01:21:55,910 --> 01:21:53,280
and you know by that stage they just

2066
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pushed them away and that was where it

2067
01:21:59,030 --> 01:21:57,120
was left

2068
01:22:00,310 --> 01:21:59,040
they're both dead now of course

2069
01:22:02,470 --> 01:22:00,320
it was sounds like one of those

2070
01:22:04,310 --> 01:22:02,480
situations where the offer is on the

2071
01:22:08,070 --> 01:22:04,320
table for just so long

2072
01:22:10,709 --> 01:22:08,080
take it or forget about it now i knew

2073
01:22:12,149 --> 01:22:10,719
peter gerstin casually

2074
01:22:14,790 --> 01:22:12,159
and the last i heard from him was

2075
01:22:17,110 --> 01:22:14,800
several years ago where he said in a

2076
01:22:18,390 --> 01:22:17,120
blaze of glory he was going to off

2077
01:22:19,830 --> 01:22:18,400
himself

2078
01:22:21,430 --> 01:22:19,840
at some point in time don't know if he

2079
01:22:23,510 --> 01:22:21,440
ever did never heard anything further

2080
01:22:26,629 --> 01:22:23,520
about it

2081
01:22:28,550 --> 01:22:26,639
yes yes i do better gaston lives in

2082
01:22:29,990 --> 01:22:28,560
sedona

2083
01:22:32,870 --> 01:22:30,000
you know a lot of these people live in

2084
01:22:35,350 --> 01:22:32,880
sedona john burroughs lives in sedona

2085
01:22:36,870 --> 01:22:35,360
and uh where in the world was due to

2086
01:22:40,149 --> 01:22:36,880
come to an end i think this would have

2087
01:22:42,149 --> 01:22:40,159
been uh december 21st 2012

2088
01:22:44,149 --> 01:22:42,159
uh was the most recent ending of the

2089
01:22:46,229 --> 01:22:44,159
world peter gerson said he was going to

2090
01:22:48,709 --> 01:22:46,239
go and stand on

2091
01:22:50,870 --> 01:22:48,719
bell rock which is one of these sort of

2092
01:22:53,350 --> 01:22:50,880
psychic power centers

2093
01:22:56,070 --> 01:22:53,360
close to sedona and

2094
01:22:58,310 --> 01:22:56,080
he had predictions that some chasm was

2095
01:23:00,149 --> 01:22:58,320
gonna open up there and he's gonna throw

2096
01:23:01,270 --> 01:23:00,159
himself into it well i think he stood up

2097
01:23:03,350 --> 01:23:01,280
there

2098
01:23:05,110 --> 01:23:03,360
all day long and nothing happened and of

2099
01:23:07,830 --> 01:23:05,120
course the world didn't come to an end

2100
01:23:08,950 --> 01:23:07,840
as we all know and even then we haven't

2101
01:23:11,270 --> 01:23:08,960
heard much

2102
01:23:13,350 --> 01:23:11,280
of anything from peter gerson since then

2103
01:23:15,669 --> 01:23:13,360
i think he'd be a fun guest to come on

2104
01:23:18,149 --> 01:23:15,679
the show i do know him maybe we'll make

2105
01:23:19,270 --> 01:23:18,159
an effort to have him explain why he's

2106
01:23:21,270 --> 01:23:19,280
still here

2107
01:23:23,750 --> 01:23:21,280
and why he's still alive

2108
01:23:25,830 --> 01:23:23,760
yeah i i don't know him at all but um

2109
01:23:28,149 --> 01:23:25,840
this is the story here and i'm sure he's

2110
01:23:31,750 --> 01:23:28,159
a great guy before we

2111
01:23:34,149 --> 01:23:31,760
move away from 1980 you mentioned the

2112
01:23:36,070 --> 01:23:34,159
military intelligence connection to both

2113
01:23:37,030 --> 01:23:36,080
cash landrum and

2114
01:23:39,990 --> 01:23:37,040
the

2115
01:23:41,669 --> 01:23:40,000
bentwaters case and i think i missed it

2116
01:23:43,990 --> 01:23:41,679
if we mentioned just just what that was

2117
01:23:47,189 --> 01:23:44,000
in the bentwaters case well

2118
01:23:49,189 --> 01:23:47,199
the military connection is that after

2119
01:23:51,110 --> 01:23:49,199
these events which happened on three

2120
01:23:53,750 --> 01:23:51,120
separate nights um

2121
01:23:54,709 --> 01:23:53,760
at bentwaters or in reynoldshum forest

2122
01:23:57,110 --> 01:23:54,719
and

2123
01:23:58,310 --> 01:23:57,120
involved a considerable number of men

2124
01:24:00,070 --> 01:23:58,320
and

2125
01:24:02,709 --> 01:24:00,080
supposedly the

2126
01:24:05,990 --> 01:24:02,719
flying saucer or the ufo which landed in

2127
01:24:09,030 --> 01:24:06,000
which jim peniston touched in the forest

2128
01:24:11,750 --> 01:24:09,040
and all of that i mean you've got um i

2129
01:24:14,229 --> 01:24:11,760
do recommend nick pope's book which is

2130
01:24:17,110 --> 01:24:14,239
called encountering renders from forest

2131
01:24:19,910 --> 01:24:17,120
this was published about a year ago

2132
01:24:20,790 --> 01:24:19,920
and it's an excellent book and nick pope

2133
01:24:24,470 --> 01:24:20,800
is

2134
01:24:26,390 --> 01:24:24,480
an honest and thorough researcher

2135
01:24:28,709 --> 01:24:26,400
you have to draw your own conclusions to

2136
01:24:32,550 --> 01:24:28,719
what was going on and it's certainly not

2137
01:24:36,390 --> 01:24:32,560
clear i'm still fascinated by the case

2138
01:24:37,590 --> 01:24:36,400
but the connection between the military

2139
01:24:39,830 --> 01:24:37,600
and

2140
01:24:42,470 --> 01:24:39,840
whatever this was um

2141
01:24:43,510 --> 01:24:42,480
that is the thing which one really needs

2142
01:24:45,510 --> 01:24:43,520
to know

2143
01:24:48,070 --> 01:24:45,520
and it appeared that the military people

2144
01:24:49,189 --> 01:24:48,080
on the base had no idea what this was

2145
01:24:50,310 --> 01:24:49,199
and therefore

2146
01:24:52,149 --> 01:24:50,320
a lot of them

2147
01:24:53,590 --> 01:24:52,159
took that it was an alien spaceship i

2148
01:24:56,149 --> 01:24:53,600
believe that

2149
01:24:57,590 --> 01:24:56,159
peniston and burrows think more in terms

2150
01:24:59,990 --> 01:24:57,600
of some

2151
01:25:02,629 --> 01:25:00,000
time traveling

2152
01:25:03,990 --> 01:25:02,639
device which should come from the future

2153
01:25:04,950 --> 01:25:04,000
say

2154
01:25:06,950 --> 01:25:04,960
i think

2155
01:25:09,669 --> 01:25:06,960
that's how they see it but that doesn't

2156
01:25:12,390 --> 01:25:09,679
mean say is necessarily right

2157
01:25:13,910 --> 01:25:12,400
now these episodes seem so singular

2158
01:25:15,270 --> 01:25:13,920
kurt and george

2159
01:25:17,590 --> 01:25:15,280
that we have

2160
01:25:19,030 --> 01:25:17,600
cash landrum we have kirtland air force

2161
01:25:20,870 --> 01:25:19,040
base we have

2162
01:25:23,910 --> 01:25:20,880
rendelsham forest

2163
01:25:26,149 --> 01:25:23,920
we have stuff happening in 1980.

2164
01:25:28,629 --> 01:25:26,159
after that what is there another case

2165
01:25:30,629 --> 01:25:28,639
around the world since then that comes

2166
01:25:33,030 --> 01:25:30,639
close in terms of its impact

2167
01:25:35,590 --> 01:25:33,040
well i i i think you have to put all

2168
01:25:37,990 --> 01:25:35,600
these things together and as i say in

2169
01:25:39,990 --> 01:25:38,000
1980 not only we were at the height of

2170
01:25:43,750 --> 01:25:40,000
the cold war but in particular there was

2171
01:25:45,910 --> 01:25:43,760
this terrible hostage situation which

2172
01:25:48,149 --> 01:25:45,920
concentrated the minds of the u.s

2173
01:25:51,189 --> 01:25:48,159
military and the u.s government for at

2174
01:25:53,910 --> 01:25:51,199
least a year it's finding some way of

2175
01:25:55,189 --> 01:25:53,920
getting the hostages back the connection

2176
01:25:59,910 --> 01:25:55,199
really between

2177
01:26:03,030 --> 01:25:59,920
cash landrum and wrensham forest was

2178
01:26:04,870 --> 01:26:03,040
the injuries suffered by

2179
01:26:08,550 --> 01:26:04,880
boris and palestine may have been

2180
01:26:10,310 --> 01:26:08,560
entirely similar to a lesser degree than

2181
01:26:14,149 --> 01:26:10,320
what betty cash and vicki landrum

2182
01:26:17,110 --> 01:26:14,159
suffered let me just read you what um

2183
01:26:18,870 --> 01:26:17,120
linda howe is giving um a presentation

2184
01:26:21,750 --> 01:26:18,880
on this at the

2185
01:26:24,790 --> 01:26:21,760
ozark conference in eureka springs and

2186
01:26:27,030 --> 01:26:24,800
the segment of her program will be

2187
01:26:31,990 --> 01:26:27,040
with usaf technical sergeant john

2188
01:26:35,590 --> 01:26:32,000
barrows and she talks about uap ufo

2189
01:26:38,149 --> 01:26:35,600
radiation non-ionizing radiation and she

2190
01:26:41,189 --> 01:26:38,159
will have disclosures on that

2191
01:26:43,669 --> 01:26:41,199
and i'm wondering if this is similar to

2192
01:26:45,430 --> 01:26:43,679
the cash land report i

2193
01:26:47,510 --> 01:26:45,440
certainly am interested if if there's

2194
01:26:49,910 --> 01:26:47,520
there's new information on that and i

2195
01:26:52,629 --> 01:26:49,920
really need to uh to find out more the

2196
01:26:53,750 --> 01:26:52,639
specific claims of john burroughs

2197
01:26:56,709 --> 01:26:53,760
um

2198
01:26:58,709 --> 01:26:56,719
but uh in both cases it is confounding

2199
01:27:01,910 --> 01:26:58,719
that the the medical record access is

2200
01:27:03,750 --> 01:27:01,920
denied so uh that that's a barrier that

2201
01:27:05,030 --> 01:27:03,760
i i

2202
01:27:08,390 --> 01:27:05,040
hope that it's

2203
01:27:10,709 --> 01:27:08,400
to see and it's not left to the next

2204
01:27:13,430 --> 01:27:10,719
generation who may not follow up on it

2205
01:27:14,870 --> 01:27:13,440
if those eventually are released

2206
01:27:16,709 --> 01:27:14,880
um

2207
01:27:19,510 --> 01:27:16,719
there's uh you know this is this is

2208
01:27:20,950 --> 01:27:19,520
taking a uh spinning the direction but

2209
01:27:23,430 --> 01:27:20,960
on your last appearance george you

2210
01:27:26,390 --> 01:27:23,440
mentioned something very briefly about

2211
01:27:29,030 --> 01:27:26,400
psychotronic weapons in your um meetings

2212
01:27:30,149 --> 01:27:29,040
with uh some people john alexander and

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01:27:33,189 --> 01:27:30,159
some others

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01:27:34,870 --> 01:27:33,199
and i was wondering if you had uh

2215
01:27:37,350 --> 01:27:34,880
any information on that and if you

2216
01:27:39,030 --> 01:27:37,360
thought it related to the ufo phenomenon

2217
01:27:39,750 --> 01:27:39,040
at all

2218
01:27:41,669 --> 01:27:39,760
well

2219
01:27:45,270 --> 01:27:41,679
yeah but i think uh there's a lot of

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01:27:48,470 --> 01:27:45,280
talk of psychotronic weapons and

2221
01:27:51,669 --> 01:27:48,480
mind control things like mk ultra and

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01:27:54,070 --> 01:27:51,679
various ways of getting at the

2223
01:27:55,590 --> 01:27:54,080
the enemy's minds

2224
01:27:58,390 --> 01:27:55,600
mainly mainly

2225
01:27:59,110 --> 01:27:58,400
possibly electronic beam weapons which

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01:28:02,629 --> 01:27:59,120
will

2227
01:28:05,430 --> 01:28:02,639
scramble an enemy soldier's brain or

2228
01:28:07,669 --> 01:28:05,440
make them think they were seeing

2229
01:28:10,550 --> 01:28:07,679
luminous objects in the sky this sort of

2230
01:28:12,629 --> 01:28:10,560
thing this is where i think we are with

2231
01:28:15,669 --> 01:28:12,639
psychotronic weapons and i don't think

2232
01:28:18,229 --> 01:28:15,679
the term is used anymore these days but

2233
01:28:21,030 --> 01:28:18,239
back then when i first met um

2234
01:28:24,310 --> 01:28:21,040
joe alexander and general stubblebine

2235
01:28:26,870 --> 01:28:24,320
and uh ed dames and a few other people

2236
01:28:29,910 --> 01:28:26,880
like this that was in 1992 and that was

2237
01:28:31,750 --> 01:28:29,920
the big thing and this is in the same

2238
01:28:34,229 --> 01:28:31,760
exactly the same era

2239
01:28:35,430 --> 01:28:34,239
as what we're talking about uh

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01:28:38,709 --> 01:28:35,440
at um

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01:28:40,709 --> 01:28:38,719
curtin affordable space with um

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01:28:42,310 --> 01:28:40,719
maybe poor benefits

2243
01:28:43,430 --> 01:28:42,320
maybe these were weapons which were

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01:28:46,470 --> 01:28:43,440
being

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01:28:49,189 --> 01:28:46,480
tested there i i don't know i mean

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01:28:51,350 --> 01:28:49,199
there's a lot more to come out and uh it

2247
01:28:53,750 --> 01:28:51,360
is a fascinating subject

2248
01:28:57,110 --> 01:28:53,760
also i should point out that

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01:28:58,870 --> 01:28:57,120
at ben points after the raf bentwaters

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which is the base now reynolds and

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01:29:04,790 --> 01:29:00,960
forest immediately after all these

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01:29:07,350 --> 01:29:04,800
events um a large number of afosi men at

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01:29:10,229 --> 01:29:07,360
least they were said to be afosi men

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01:29:14,390 --> 01:29:10,239
came and interrogated the uh

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01:29:16,709 --> 01:29:14,400
the people who had contact or seen these

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01:29:18,950 --> 01:29:16,719
ufos in the forest or

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01:29:21,350 --> 01:29:18,960
uh certainly boris and pedestal i think

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01:29:24,229 --> 01:29:21,360
all of them were interrogated

2259
01:29:27,430 --> 01:29:24,239
some of them were apparently given uh

2260
01:29:28,870 --> 01:29:27,440
sodium pentathol which is truth drug and

2261
01:29:31,910 --> 01:29:28,880
there are stories which may be

2262
01:29:35,590 --> 01:29:31,920
apocryphal that some of them were

2263
01:29:38,310 --> 01:29:35,600
subjected to intensive interrogation

2264
01:29:40,229 --> 01:29:38,320
of a pretty nasty nature but there you

2265
01:29:42,149 --> 01:29:40,239
are again afosi

2266
01:29:45,350 --> 01:29:42,159
well of course it could be

2267
01:29:47,510 --> 01:29:45,360
nsa people who are saying okay we're the

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01:29:49,430 --> 01:29:47,520
afosi people it's a little less

2269
01:29:50,790 --> 01:29:49,440
threatening there was something while

2270
01:29:53,189 --> 01:29:50,800
we're on the topic of military

2271
01:29:54,870 --> 01:29:53,199
intelligence you um

2272
01:29:55,990 --> 01:29:54,880
and this information

2273
01:30:00,629 --> 01:29:56,000
your

2274
01:30:02,870 --> 01:30:00,639
crop circles i believe and

2275
01:30:05,030 --> 01:30:02,880
so i think you ultimately decided that

2276
01:30:07,270 --> 01:30:05,040
there was a lot of manipulation in that

2277
01:30:08,629 --> 01:30:07,280
but one of the things that i heard uh

2278
01:30:10,070 --> 01:30:08,639
that you had

2279
01:30:12,629 --> 01:30:10,080
said that um

2280
01:30:14,470 --> 01:30:12,639
you had noticed an interest by the uh by

2281
01:30:17,350 --> 01:30:14,480
the uk government in them and i was

2282
01:30:19,430 --> 01:30:17,360
wondering if you had any documentation

2283
01:30:22,149 --> 01:30:19,440
on that or what you thought if they were

2284
01:30:23,590 --> 01:30:22,159
observant or if they were manipulating

2285
01:30:25,669 --> 01:30:23,600
let's have that answer in our next

2286
01:30:28,390 --> 01:30:25,679
segment with george wingfield

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01:30:33,750 --> 01:30:28,400
and gene and kurt collins you're in the

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[Music]

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so in our previous segment kurt collins

2397
01:35:17,430 --> 01:35:14,560
asks a question of our guest this week

2398
01:35:19,430 --> 01:35:17,440
george wingfield and now sir we wait

2399
01:35:21,669 --> 01:35:19,440
with baited breath so take the bait out

2400
01:35:23,189 --> 01:35:21,679
of my breath here oh here we go

2401
01:35:23,990 --> 01:35:23,199
what your response is

2402
01:35:27,189 --> 01:35:24,000
well

2403
01:35:29,669 --> 01:35:27,199
when the circles were the crop circles

2404
01:35:31,189 --> 01:35:29,679
in england were really sort of reaching

2405
01:35:32,709 --> 01:35:31,199
their peak and

2406
01:35:36,709 --> 01:35:32,719
this would be about

2407
01:35:39,110 --> 01:35:36,719
1989 1919 1991

2408
01:35:41,270 --> 01:35:39,120
huge numbers of circles and certainly

2409
01:35:42,550 --> 01:35:41,280
there were people in government

2410
01:35:44,790 --> 01:35:42,560
and even i believe people in the

2411
01:35:46,790 --> 01:35:44,800
military who took an interest and so

2412
01:35:49,990 --> 01:35:46,800
what the hell is going on here

2413
01:35:53,510 --> 01:35:50,000
and um certainly there was

2414
01:35:54,470 --> 01:35:53,520
surveillance by aircraft

2415
01:35:56,070 --> 01:35:54,480
of

2416
01:35:57,669 --> 01:35:56,080
the places where the crop circles were

2417
01:36:01,669 --> 01:35:57,679
forming they might be trying to catch

2418
01:36:03,750 --> 01:36:01,679
one form and this sort of thing but

2419
01:36:05,350 --> 01:36:03,760
i did a lot of research at the time and

2420
01:36:07,030 --> 01:36:05,360
um by

2421
01:36:09,430 --> 01:36:07,040
1991

2422
01:36:10,870 --> 01:36:09,440
there was plenty of evidence that large

2423
01:36:11,830 --> 01:36:10,880
numbers of them were being made by

2424
01:36:15,910 --> 01:36:11,840
people

2425
01:36:19,270 --> 01:36:15,920
who were having a bit of fun

2426
01:36:21,750 --> 01:36:19,280
these were people who were producing

2427
01:36:25,550 --> 01:36:21,760
designs and making very careful and

2428
01:36:28,629 --> 01:36:25,560
complex crop circles and in

2429
01:36:30,470 --> 01:36:28,639
1994 i published a long paper

2430
01:36:32,950 --> 01:36:30,480
naming quite a lot of these people

2431
01:36:35,030 --> 01:36:32,960
saying i can only talk about crop

2432
01:36:37,030 --> 01:36:35,040
circles which i know about

2433
01:36:39,669 --> 01:36:37,040
and there are so many

2434
01:36:41,750 --> 01:36:39,679
are obviously plenty i don't know but i

2435
01:36:43,110 --> 01:36:41,760
think a vast proportion of the

2436
01:36:44,950 --> 01:36:43,120
phenomenon

2437
01:36:47,189 --> 01:36:44,960
is undoubtedly

2438
01:36:48,470 --> 01:36:47,199
the work of people who go out at night

2439
01:36:51,109 --> 01:36:48,480
and they

2440
01:36:53,510 --> 01:36:51,119
they make some beautiful formation some

2441
01:36:55,109 --> 01:36:53,520
huge formation and then subsequently it

2442
01:36:58,149 --> 01:36:55,119
gets photographed and people get very

2443
01:37:01,030 --> 01:36:58,159
excited about it but i have no

2444
01:37:03,430 --> 01:37:01,040
proof that there are crop circles which

2445
01:37:04,790 --> 01:37:03,440
are not made by people there may be but

2446
01:37:06,550 --> 01:37:04,800
i can't say

2447
01:37:09,109 --> 01:37:06,560
so that was my position that's that's

2448
01:37:10,870 --> 01:37:09,119
where i left it i really lost interest i

2449
01:37:13,669 --> 01:37:10,880
think at a later stage when i'd

2450
01:37:15,990 --> 01:37:13,679
convinced colleen andrews that uh andres

2451
01:37:18,149 --> 01:37:16,000
other people convinced him too that the

2452
01:37:20,950 --> 01:37:18,159
vast proportion of these are being made

2453
01:37:23,590 --> 01:37:20,960
by people colin took up a certain

2454
01:37:25,990 --> 01:37:23,600
position that 80 percent were made by

2455
01:37:28,470 --> 01:37:26,000
people the other 20 was something of a

2456
01:37:31,030 --> 01:37:28,480
mysterious um nature which might be

2457
01:37:34,149 --> 01:37:31,040
related to ufos and the like but i think

2458
01:37:35,430 --> 01:37:34,159
that was a very arbitrary proportion you

2459
01:37:37,590 --> 01:37:35,440
see i've

2460
01:37:39,910 --> 01:37:37,600
adopted the same thing with the cattle

2461
01:37:41,750 --> 01:37:39,920
mutilations i said the vast proportion

2462
01:37:44,950 --> 01:37:41,760
of these are perfectly

2463
01:37:47,590 --> 01:37:44,960
easily explained in terms of

2464
01:37:49,669 --> 01:37:47,600
predators predator activity and

2465
01:37:51,910 --> 01:37:49,679
subsequent separate

2466
01:37:54,550 --> 01:37:51,920
scavenger activity principally by

2467
01:37:56,709 --> 01:37:54,560
vultures vast proportion i don't say all

2468
01:37:58,950 --> 01:37:56,719
of them and there are some very

2469
01:38:01,109 --> 01:37:58,960
mysterious cattle mutilations which i

2470
01:38:03,830 --> 01:38:01,119
wouldn't necessarily be able to explain

2471
01:38:05,750 --> 01:38:03,840
but i did send gene a paper i wrote

2472
01:38:07,910 --> 01:38:05,760
write out this recently

2473
01:38:10,149 --> 01:38:07,920
laying out in the greatest details some

2474
01:38:11,830 --> 01:38:10,159
of the ones which i was familiar with

2475
01:38:14,470 --> 01:38:11,840
maybe you could summarize that we ran

2476
01:38:16,550 --> 01:38:14,480
that article in our forums i believe uh

2477
01:38:19,669 --> 01:38:16,560
what my recent article i think you ran

2478
01:38:21,510 --> 01:38:19,679
on earlier i wrote a much more detailed

2479
01:38:24,390 --> 01:38:21,520
subsequent article

2480
01:38:27,830 --> 01:38:24,400
giving a lot of information on

2481
01:38:29,030 --> 01:38:27,840
what vultures do to um when they

2482
01:38:31,990 --> 01:38:29,040
scavenge

2483
01:38:34,790 --> 01:38:32,000
a dead cow or some vultures the black

2484
01:38:35,510 --> 01:38:34,800
ponchos can actually kill livestock they

2485
01:38:37,910 --> 01:38:35,520
do

2486
01:38:40,470 --> 01:38:37,920
kill they mainly kill carbs but they

2487
01:38:43,030 --> 01:38:40,480
also can kill add-on cards

2488
01:38:45,350 --> 01:38:43,040
and i gave a lot of information on that

2489
01:38:47,109 --> 01:38:45,360
and then i looked at a case one

2490
01:38:49,510 --> 01:38:47,119
particular case which happened there

2491
01:38:50,709 --> 01:38:49,520
here which i'm was very familiar with

2492
01:38:53,590 --> 01:38:50,719
and i also

2493
01:38:57,270 --> 01:38:53,600
had a very close look at the uh only

2494
01:38:58,390 --> 01:38:57,280
published case from the skinwalker ranch

2495
01:39:00,950 --> 01:38:58,400
in utah

2496
01:39:03,270 --> 01:39:00,960
so in the case of cattle mutilations and

2497
01:39:05,430 --> 01:39:03,280
the case of crop circles your position

2498
01:39:07,830 --> 01:39:05,440
here is it's pretty much conventional

2499
01:39:09,910 --> 01:39:07,840
well yes conventional but people who've

2500
01:39:12,470 --> 01:39:09,920
researched it really haven't looked

2501
01:39:13,830 --> 01:39:12,480
closely enough yeah and i i've got

2502
01:39:16,310 --> 01:39:13,840
so i've got it right here i've got

2503
01:39:17,430 --> 01:39:16,320
lindahar's book an alien harvest which i

2504
01:39:21,030 --> 01:39:17,440
think is

2505
01:39:23,109 --> 01:39:21,040
probably 1989 1988 or 1989. there's no

2506
01:39:27,030 --> 01:39:23,119
mention of uh

2507
01:39:28,070 --> 01:39:27,040
vultures in that which play a major part

2508
01:39:29,350 --> 01:39:28,080
in this

2509
01:39:30,229 --> 01:39:29,360
uh

2510
01:39:32,070 --> 01:39:30,239
those

2511
01:39:33,590 --> 01:39:32,080
researchers back then

2512
01:39:35,590 --> 01:39:33,600
tended to sort of

2513
01:39:38,149 --> 01:39:35,600
scoff at the idea that

2514
01:39:39,830 --> 01:39:38,159
predators or scavengers really had

2515
01:39:41,590 --> 01:39:39,840
anything to do with it and

2516
01:39:43,750 --> 01:39:41,600
there were completely unsubstantiated

2517
01:39:46,070 --> 01:39:43,760
claims that the

2518
01:39:47,510 --> 01:39:46,080
butchery or surgery which had been done

2519
01:39:50,070 --> 01:39:47,520
on these

2520
01:39:51,030 --> 01:39:50,080
unfortunate cattle had been carried out

2521
01:39:54,070 --> 01:39:51,040
by

2522
01:39:56,229 --> 01:39:54,080
laser cutting tools or very sharp

2523
01:39:58,629 --> 01:39:56,239
instruments and could only have been the

2524
01:40:00,550 --> 01:39:58,639
work of aliens or else

2525
01:40:02,310 --> 01:40:00,560
maybe

2526
01:40:04,629 --> 01:40:02,320
government men in

2527
01:40:06,709 --> 01:40:04,639
flying in black helicopters come and

2528
01:40:09,189 --> 01:40:06,719
taken tissue samples and all that sort

2529
01:40:11,510 --> 01:40:09,199
of thing well from all the photographs

2530
01:40:12,390 --> 01:40:11,520
you can see in alien hearts and in other

2531
01:40:14,470 --> 01:40:12,400
books

2532
01:40:17,030 --> 01:40:14,480
um there's nothing like that there's

2533
01:40:19,030 --> 01:40:17,040
nothing which should convince you that

2534
01:40:22,070 --> 01:40:19,040
any anything will be done with sharp

2535
01:40:24,470 --> 01:40:22,080
instruments in a surgical manner this

2536
01:40:25,430 --> 01:40:24,480
seems like an example of

2537
01:40:27,270 --> 01:40:25,440
um

2538
01:40:29,189 --> 01:40:27,280
when you had mentioned the roswell case

2539
01:40:32,149 --> 01:40:29,199
when proponents become locked in a

2540
01:40:33,270 --> 01:40:32,159
position they refused to uh

2541
01:40:35,910 --> 01:40:33,280
uh well

2542
01:40:38,070 --> 01:40:35,920
they see it as a attack debunking by

2543
01:40:40,790 --> 01:40:38,080
skeptics and sometimes there's an answer

2544
01:40:41,669 --> 01:40:40,800
for a case and they just won't accept it

2545
01:40:43,590 --> 01:40:41,679
yeah

2546
01:40:46,149 --> 01:40:43,600
sure absolutely

2547
01:40:47,669 --> 01:40:46,159
you had uh mentioned before um there

2548
01:40:50,070 --> 01:40:47,679
were some people that

2549
01:40:51,430 --> 01:40:50,080
you trusted and distrusted and among

2550
01:40:53,990 --> 01:40:51,440
some of the people

2551
01:40:56,229 --> 01:40:54,000
that you distrusted it wasn't so much a

2552
01:40:58,550 --> 01:40:56,239
matter of them being a dishonest but

2553
01:41:01,109 --> 01:40:58,560
that they were uh too gullible can you

2554
01:41:04,390 --> 01:41:01,119
talk about some of the the gullibility

2555
01:41:06,629 --> 01:41:04,400
and and uh just the the failure to uh

2556
01:41:07,750 --> 01:41:06,639
to maybe critically examine some of the

2557
01:41:09,990 --> 01:41:07,760
evidence

2558
01:41:12,310 --> 01:41:10,000
who you feel might be a problem

2559
01:41:15,990 --> 01:41:12,320
are we talking about um

2560
01:41:17,030 --> 01:41:16,000
ufo recessions who are either gullible

2561
01:41:27,910 --> 01:41:17,040
or

2562
01:41:29,669 --> 01:41:27,920
billy meyer and thing people like this i

2563
01:41:31,189 --> 01:41:29,679
mean i think

2564
01:41:34,870 --> 01:41:31,199
bob lazar

2565
01:41:37,830 --> 01:41:34,880
billy meyer and george adamski are 100

2566
01:41:40,310 --> 01:41:37,840
fraud and i have plenty plenty to back

2567
01:41:42,950 --> 01:41:40,320
that up and plenty of other lots of

2568
01:41:45,669 --> 01:41:42,960
other people and i think on on previous

2569
01:41:48,470 --> 01:41:45,679
sermons on the paracast i was

2570
01:41:49,750 --> 01:41:48,480
saying i think you americans because i'm

2571
01:41:52,390 --> 01:41:49,760
not american

2572
01:41:54,950 --> 01:41:52,400
uh far too

2573
01:41:56,229 --> 01:41:54,960
far too polite to actually point the

2574
01:41:59,109 --> 01:41:56,239
finger and say

2575
01:42:01,189 --> 01:41:59,119
you are a liar and none of what you're

2576
01:42:04,790 --> 01:42:01,199
saying is true this has all been made up

2577
01:42:06,629 --> 01:42:04,800
this is completely fraudulent case and

2578
01:42:09,189 --> 01:42:06,639
that is something which needs to be done

2579
01:42:10,390 --> 01:42:09,199
with a lot of cases in in the ufo

2580
01:42:13,590 --> 01:42:10,400
subject

2581
01:42:16,390 --> 01:42:13,600
but these people many of them have their

2582
01:42:18,070 --> 01:42:16,400
believers who and these people are

2583
01:42:21,590 --> 01:42:18,080
sincere

2584
01:42:25,750 --> 01:42:21,600
sure absolutely yes yes i mean

2585
01:42:28,870 --> 01:42:25,760
a lot of leading of our receptions

2586
01:42:31,430 --> 01:42:28,880
we won't say who yeah they have uh

2587
01:42:34,149 --> 01:42:31,440
groupies uh they they have

2588
01:42:35,750 --> 01:42:34,159
uh a follow let's say a folly uh

2589
01:42:37,669 --> 01:42:35,760
groupies when it comes to the abduction

2590
01:42:39,510 --> 01:42:37,679
subject may be but

2591
01:42:41,270 --> 01:42:39,520
they have a large following who believe

2592
01:42:43,350 --> 01:42:41,280
that absolutely believe a hundred

2593
01:42:45,030 --> 01:42:43,360
percent all they're being told

2594
01:42:47,270 --> 01:42:45,040
and uh these

2595
01:42:49,990 --> 01:42:47,280
people uh appear at conferences and they

2596
01:42:51,910 --> 01:42:50,000
get lectures and they get tumultuous

2597
01:42:54,790 --> 01:42:51,920
applause they're really being

2598
01:42:56,790 --> 01:42:54,800
entertainers and i'm not saying that

2599
01:43:01,030 --> 01:42:56,800
okay so someone who's

2600
01:43:03,109 --> 01:43:01,040
talking about um abductions or for us

2601
01:43:05,830 --> 01:43:03,119
ufo episodes

2602
01:43:08,149 --> 01:43:05,840
they are not saying i saw this and this

2603
01:43:11,669 --> 01:43:08,159
is what happened they they have brought

2604
01:43:14,790 --> 01:43:11,679
on someone else who was an abductee

2605
01:43:17,270 --> 01:43:14,800
writing on that information and

2606
01:43:20,070 --> 01:43:17,280
presenting another person's information

2607
01:43:21,990 --> 01:43:20,080
and saying yes i accept this is true and

2608
01:43:24,310 --> 01:43:22,000
this is all correct

2609
01:43:26,550 --> 01:43:24,320
unfortunately it's very often only too

2610
01:43:27,830 --> 01:43:26,560
often it's not true and look at the

2611
01:43:30,310 --> 01:43:27,840
billy mark

2612
01:43:32,709 --> 01:43:30,320
which um okay when i first heard about

2613
01:43:35,189 --> 01:43:32,719
that i was fascinated i followed it

2614
01:43:37,350 --> 01:43:35,199
closely for a long time and i was

2615
01:43:40,390 --> 01:43:37,360
prepared to believe what billy meyer was

2616
01:43:43,270 --> 01:43:40,400
telling us about his contacts with

2617
01:43:44,550 --> 01:43:43,280
people from the pleiades and

2618
01:43:47,510 --> 01:43:44,560
he had this

2619
01:43:50,070 --> 01:43:47,520
pleiadian girlfriend and so on and so on

2620
01:43:52,870 --> 01:43:50,080
so on and then i went to a mufon

2621
01:43:54,070 --> 01:43:52,880
symposium which was um

2622
01:43:57,030 --> 01:43:54,080
it was

2623
01:43:58,950 --> 01:43:57,040
in seattle or tacoma uh

2624
01:44:01,910 --> 01:43:58,960
oh many years ago there was a guy

2625
01:44:03,750 --> 01:44:01,920
calling kankoff kalkoff i had been out

2626
01:44:05,030 --> 01:44:03,760
to billy mars establishment in

2627
01:44:07,189 --> 01:44:05,040
switzerland

2628
01:44:09,109 --> 01:44:07,199
and had fun

2629
01:44:10,790 --> 01:44:09,119
without a shadow of diet that all of

2630
01:44:12,229 --> 01:44:10,800
this stuff is false

2631
01:44:14,629 --> 01:44:12,239
including all the photographs which

2632
01:44:16,709 --> 01:44:14,639
billy mayer was serving up well that

2633
01:44:18,149 --> 01:44:16,719
stuff it's like it is in the ufo field

2634
01:44:20,870 --> 01:44:18,159
in general

2635
01:44:22,870 --> 01:44:20,880
that stuff has been disproven over and

2636
01:44:25,109 --> 01:44:22,880
over again the same thing with george

2637
01:44:28,070 --> 01:44:25,119
adamski the same thing with a number of

2638
01:44:30,470 --> 01:44:28,080
other ufo contactees but the problem is

2639
01:44:32,629 --> 01:44:30,480
here is you disprove them

2640
01:44:34,550 --> 01:44:32,639
and people who didn't believe these

2641
01:44:37,109 --> 01:44:34,560
cases in the first place say hey you see

2642
01:44:39,030 --> 01:44:37,119
it's disproven but most people who have

2643
01:44:40,550 --> 01:44:39,040
the will to believe

2644
01:44:42,709 --> 01:44:40,560
don't believe

2645
01:44:45,030 --> 01:44:42,719
no they have the expose they don't they

2646
01:44:46,390 --> 01:44:45,040
simply repeat the same things they

2647
01:44:50,070 --> 01:44:46,400
ignore

2648
01:44:52,070 --> 01:44:50,080
or they distort the expose pretend it

2649
01:44:55,030 --> 01:44:52,080
didn't exist or it's some kind of secret

2650
01:44:56,629 --> 01:44:55,040
plot by the government to hide the truth

2651
01:44:58,790 --> 01:44:56,639
and they go on with their lives we have

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2690
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again don't miss these prices a 50 by

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100 for 35 000 you heard right that's

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five thousand square feet for thirty

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five thousand dollars manufacturers if

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you need a larger building try a 100 by

2711
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100 commercial building for 129 000. you

2712
01:47:20,310 --> 01:47:18,080
can't afford to rent with these prices

2713
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imagine a 70 by 100 foot church building

2714
01:47:25,030 --> 01:47:23,199
for under 69 000 with the economy

2715
01:47:27,430 --> 01:47:25,040
improving and interest rates still at

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historic lows you can't afford to wait

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so call 866 91 steel lock in your price

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now call 866 91 steel that's

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01:47:53,189 --> 01:47:49,510
welcome back to the paracast the gold

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2721
01:47:57,830 --> 01:47:54,480
and now

2722
01:48:01,350 --> 01:47:57,840
here's gene steinberg

2723
01:48:06,870 --> 01:48:03,270
our final four segments of the power

2724
01:48:09,030 --> 01:48:06,880
cast and i think we'll just drop the ufo

2725
01:48:11,669 --> 01:48:09,040
contactees george wingfield because

2726
01:48:13,270 --> 01:48:11,679
nobody here agrees with any of them but

2727
01:48:15,270 --> 01:48:13,280
we're seeing here in most of the

2728
01:48:16,790 --> 01:48:15,280
segments we've talked about government

2729
01:48:18,629 --> 01:48:16,800
disinformation

2730
01:48:20,709 --> 01:48:18,639
government experiments all sorts of

2731
01:48:23,109 --> 01:48:20,719
things involving the government

2732
01:48:26,390 --> 01:48:23,119
is there room here george wingfield for

2733
01:48:29,270 --> 01:48:26,400
real ufos being something unexplained

2734
01:48:33,510 --> 01:48:29,280
from unknown places

2735
01:48:36,390 --> 01:48:33,520
yes there is from and i believe there is

2736
01:48:38,950 --> 01:48:36,400
what i call a genuine ufo phenomenon

2737
01:48:42,149 --> 01:48:38,960
it's very hard to

2738
01:48:44,390 --> 01:48:42,159
actually get hold of or make sense of

2739
01:48:46,550 --> 01:48:44,400
i think i said before i did have a

2740
01:48:48,070 --> 01:48:46,560
remarkable ufo sighting involving a

2741
01:48:51,109 --> 01:48:48,080
number of objects

2742
01:48:53,669 --> 01:48:51,119
once and i'm still you know how we are

2743
01:48:55,030 --> 01:48:53,679
uh nearly 25 years later i'm still

2744
01:48:58,149 --> 01:48:55,040
puzzling about

2745
01:49:00,790 --> 01:48:58,159
what this was or where it came from

2746
01:49:02,310 --> 01:49:00,800
indeed whether it was a a physical

2747
01:49:04,709 --> 01:49:02,320
object or a

2748
01:49:07,430 --> 01:49:04,719
number of physical objects i saw or

2749
01:49:09,750 --> 01:49:07,440
whether it was something which um was

2750
01:49:12,790 --> 01:49:09,760
other than that like some kind of a

2751
01:49:14,470 --> 01:49:12,800
moving image or something imprinted on

2752
01:49:15,750 --> 01:49:14,480
my consciousness

2753
01:49:17,990 --> 01:49:15,760
but

2754
01:49:19,350 --> 01:49:18,000
let's let's do that one another time i

2755
01:49:22,310 --> 01:49:19,360
think there is

2756
01:49:24,870 --> 01:49:22,320
what i say a genuine mysterious

2757
01:49:26,830 --> 01:49:24,880
ufo phenomenon and uh

2758
01:49:29,510 --> 01:49:26,840
it is uh kind of

2759
01:49:32,550 --> 01:49:29,520
ghost-like uh people see

2760
01:49:34,070 --> 01:49:32,560
these objects in the sky and

2761
01:49:36,070 --> 01:49:34,080
it's very hard to know what you're

2762
01:49:38,470 --> 01:49:36,080
looking at it might be a big triangle

2763
01:49:40,390 --> 01:49:38,480
dave mahler who's a good friend of mine

2764
01:49:42,629 --> 01:49:40,400
has talked and

2765
01:49:45,350 --> 01:49:42,639
talked a lot about and researched

2766
01:49:48,149 --> 01:49:45,360
the triangles and

2767
01:49:50,709 --> 01:49:48,159
i have no reason to think that the

2768
01:49:51,830 --> 01:49:50,719
most of the witnesses to those

2769
01:49:54,070 --> 01:49:51,840
triangle

2770
01:49:55,430 --> 01:49:54,080
cases and sightings

2771
01:49:57,109 --> 01:49:55,440
i've never used to think that they were

2772
01:49:59,590 --> 01:49:57,119
not sincere i believe they were

2773
01:50:01,109 --> 01:49:59,600
completely sincere but what were they

2774
01:50:03,109 --> 01:50:01,119
what were they looking at

2775
01:50:05,189 --> 01:50:03,119
uh you really have to try and get to

2776
01:50:08,229 --> 01:50:05,199
grips with that and it's

2777
01:50:10,070 --> 01:50:08,239
not always obvious uh first start

2778
01:50:11,590 --> 01:50:10,080
a lot of people will immediately assume

2779
01:50:13,750 --> 01:50:11,600
okay they were looking at alien

2780
01:50:16,390 --> 01:50:13,760
spaceships they were looking at some

2781
01:50:18,870 --> 01:50:16,400
kind of a craft if they were craft they

2782
01:50:22,310 --> 01:50:18,880
must have had some kind of uh

2783
01:50:24,470 --> 01:50:22,320
intelligence or alien life on board now

2784
01:50:25,350 --> 01:50:24,480
not none of those assumptions

2785
01:50:27,430 --> 01:50:25,360
is

2786
01:50:29,430 --> 01:50:27,440
necessarily justified if they were

2787
01:50:31,590 --> 01:50:29,440
looking at a craft okay if it was a

2788
01:50:34,070 --> 01:50:31,600
physical craft it might be something

2789
01:50:35,030 --> 01:50:34,080
much more like a drone

2790
01:50:37,189 --> 01:50:35,040
of

2791
01:50:39,270 --> 01:50:37,199
whatever origin we we have no idea

2792
01:50:42,149 --> 01:50:39,280
whether it's from this this world or

2793
01:50:43,830 --> 01:50:42,159
from some other world we have no idea

2794
01:50:45,990 --> 01:50:43,840
but to

2795
01:50:49,189 --> 01:50:46,000
assume it's a physical thing you're

2796
01:50:50,950 --> 01:50:49,199
seeing rather than um an image which

2797
01:50:52,470 --> 01:50:50,960
is coming to you

2798
01:50:54,070 --> 01:50:52,480
know where it's coming from we get

2799
01:50:56,390 --> 01:50:54,080
plenty of images out of the internet

2800
01:50:58,629 --> 01:50:56,400
these days and you probably get images

2801
01:51:00,550 --> 01:50:58,639
up in the sky these days too

2802
01:51:02,149 --> 01:51:00,560
where they come from or what the purpose

2803
01:51:03,590 --> 01:51:02,159
is is

2804
01:51:04,950 --> 01:51:03,600
something else

2805
01:51:07,669 --> 01:51:04,960
uh one

2806
01:51:09,750 --> 01:51:07,679
just one one thing is is that

2807
01:51:12,390 --> 01:51:09,760
you often hear of

2808
01:51:14,550 --> 01:51:12,400
these craft the triangles in particular

2809
01:51:15,910 --> 01:51:14,560
doing a right angle turn a complete

2810
01:51:18,550 --> 01:51:15,920
right angle turn

2811
01:51:21,350 --> 01:51:18,560
which shows they have no aerodynamic

2812
01:51:24,070 --> 01:51:21,360
qualities and it also shows that if

2813
01:51:26,470 --> 01:51:24,080
these uh physical craft which have mass

2814
01:51:28,070 --> 01:51:26,480
there seems to be no inertia so the

2815
01:51:29,750 --> 01:51:28,080
conclusion there is that they don't have

2816
01:51:31,510 --> 01:51:29,760
mass and

2817
01:51:33,590 --> 01:51:31,520
then we're into something of a very

2818
01:51:35,030 --> 01:51:33,600
different nature altogether we're into

2819
01:51:37,109 --> 01:51:35,040
something more like

2820
01:51:40,070 --> 01:51:37,119
neutrinos which scientists accept

2821
01:51:41,910 --> 01:51:40,080
neutrinos these days and um

2822
01:51:44,229 --> 01:51:41,920
for those of you who aren't into this

2823
01:51:45,430 --> 01:51:44,239
sort of stuff there are billions and

2824
01:51:46,709 --> 01:51:45,440
billions of

2825
01:51:48,790 --> 01:51:46,719
neutrinos

2826
01:51:50,709 --> 01:51:48,800
pouring through your body and through

2827
01:51:53,750 --> 01:51:50,719
everything else on earth

2828
01:51:55,750 --> 01:51:53,760
all the time and leaving absolutely no

2829
01:51:57,750 --> 01:51:55,760
sign they were ever there but these

2830
01:52:01,510 --> 01:51:57,760
things apparently do exist and

2831
01:52:04,709 --> 01:52:01,520
scientists accept them maybe ufos or

2832
01:52:05,830 --> 01:52:04,719
some ufos are something of a similar

2833
01:52:08,149 --> 01:52:05,840
nature

2834
01:52:10,709 --> 01:52:08,159
that ties in closely to a question from

2835
01:52:13,030 --> 01:52:10,719
blowfish and i think you've addressed

2836
01:52:14,390 --> 01:52:13,040
part of this but this one just in case

2837
01:52:17,109 --> 01:52:14,400
what are your thoughts on the current

2838
01:52:19,750 --> 01:52:17,119
theories of string theory dimensions

2839
01:52:21,109 --> 01:52:19,760
and could they be an element of uap

2840
01:52:22,229 --> 01:52:21,119
encounters

2841
01:52:23,589 --> 01:52:22,239
well

2842
01:52:26,629 --> 01:52:23,599
yes

2843
01:52:28,550 --> 01:52:26,639
it's possible i mean string theory

2844
01:52:30,390 --> 01:52:28,560
is

2845
01:52:31,189 --> 01:52:30,400
pretty well beyond me okay there are

2846
01:52:34,149 --> 01:52:31,199
many

2847
01:52:35,830 --> 01:52:34,159
unseen dimensions and uh

2848
01:52:37,669 --> 01:52:35,840
simple folk like me here i have to say

2849
01:52:39,750 --> 01:52:37,679
well okay we you can see three

2850
01:52:43,030 --> 01:52:39,760
dimensions of space in one dimension of

2851
01:52:45,350 --> 01:52:43,040
time where are the rest of these and uh

2852
01:52:46,870 --> 01:52:45,360
you get a rather sort of unsatisfactory

2853
01:52:49,350 --> 01:52:46,880
answer well they're rolled up you don't

2854
01:52:51,189 --> 01:52:49,360
see them but they're there anyway so

2855
01:52:53,510 --> 01:52:51,199
again we're into all of this sort of

2856
01:52:55,990 --> 01:52:53,520
stuff like the neutrinos

2857
01:52:58,070 --> 01:52:56,000
and yes indeed i mean i'm

2858
01:52:59,270 --> 01:52:58,080
always prepared to listen to these

2859
01:53:01,350 --> 01:52:59,280
scientific

2860
01:53:02,310 --> 01:53:01,360
theories and quite apart from string

2861
01:53:05,990 --> 01:53:02,320
theory

2862
01:53:08,390 --> 01:53:06,000
we now now have uh dark matter uh dark

2863
01:53:10,790 --> 01:53:08,400
matter and dark energy and if you read

2864
01:53:13,910 --> 01:53:10,800
scientific magazines uh there's an awful

2865
01:53:16,790 --> 01:53:13,920
lot of this but can you see it can you

2866
01:53:17,990 --> 01:53:16,800
can you show it's there no it's it's not

2867
01:53:20,149 --> 01:53:18,000
visible

2868
01:53:22,229 --> 01:53:20,159
and you can't do anything to interact

2869
01:53:24,550 --> 01:53:22,239
with it but it's there because

2870
01:53:28,550 --> 01:53:24,560
gravity gravitational forces which seem

2871
01:53:29,750 --> 01:53:28,560
to apply in galaxies and in the universe

2872
01:53:31,910 --> 01:53:29,760
as a whole

2873
01:53:34,950 --> 01:53:31,920
require there to be something like

2874
01:53:36,390 --> 01:53:34,960
some enormous amount of dark matter

2875
01:53:38,550 --> 01:53:36,400
which is

2876
01:53:40,950 --> 01:53:38,560
obviously it's there if it exists it

2877
01:53:43,750 --> 01:53:40,960
must be there and i think they say these

2878
01:53:47,270 --> 01:53:43,760
days saying like 84 percent of the mass

2879
01:53:50,390 --> 01:53:47,280
of the known universe is dark matter

2880
01:53:53,510 --> 01:53:50,400
it's it's becoming more like alice in

2881
01:53:55,910 --> 01:53:53,520
wonderland you know modern physics

2882
01:53:58,390 --> 01:53:55,920
we stand back and said fine but prove it

2883
01:54:01,750 --> 01:53:58,400
and it's rather the same as the ufo

2884
01:54:03,589 --> 01:54:01,760
subject they say well fine but prove it

2885
01:54:05,510 --> 01:54:03,599
that's where we're at

2886
01:54:07,189 --> 01:54:05,520
those are some difficult concepts are

2887
01:54:08,870 --> 01:54:07,199
you sure that some of that isn't flap

2888
01:54:11,990 --> 01:54:08,880
doodle

2889
01:54:14,709 --> 01:54:12,000
well it may well be yeah absolutely uh i

2890
01:54:17,270 --> 01:54:14,719
think yes i mean just because

2891
01:54:19,589 --> 01:54:17,280
people are scientists and you know the

2892
01:54:21,830 --> 01:54:19,599
theoretical physicists and so on it

2893
01:54:23,030 --> 01:54:21,840
doesn't mean to say they don't indulge

2894
01:54:24,310 --> 01:54:23,040
in a lot of

2895
01:54:26,750 --> 01:54:24,320
uh

2896
01:54:28,550 --> 01:54:26,760
extraordinary speculation which is quite

2897
01:54:30,790 --> 01:54:28,560
unjustifiable

2898
01:54:34,310 --> 01:54:30,800
and you see a lot of

2899
01:54:36,390 --> 01:54:34,320
ufo researchers think if we clothe this

2900
01:54:38,470 --> 01:54:36,400
in science well what was seen and what

2901
01:54:40,870 --> 01:54:38,480
happened we're closing all in uh

2902
01:54:42,550 --> 01:54:40,880
respectable science that'll make it okay

2903
01:54:45,669 --> 01:54:42,560
well no i don't think so i think there

2904
01:54:47,430 --> 01:54:45,679
are a lot of crazy scientists as well

2905
01:54:50,149 --> 01:54:47,440
what do you think then that maybe ufo

2906
01:54:53,750 --> 01:54:50,159
researchers are forcing the issue they

2907
01:54:56,870 --> 01:54:53,760
want to fit into a very narrow framework

2908
01:54:59,270 --> 01:54:56,880
well i think some ufo researchers let's

2909
01:55:01,030 --> 01:54:59,280
say quite a lot of researchers have made

2910
01:55:03,109 --> 01:55:01,040
up their minds already you know what

2911
01:55:05,270 --> 01:55:03,119
this is all about it's about

2912
01:55:08,470 --> 01:55:05,280
aliens and uh

2913
01:55:10,790 --> 01:55:08,480
craft from other planets and

2914
01:55:13,430 --> 01:55:10,800
all all of this this is their conception

2915
01:55:15,510 --> 01:55:13,440
and they will then um

2916
01:55:17,990 --> 01:55:15,520
do their research and

2917
01:55:21,189 --> 01:55:18,000
bring it up in in a respectable

2918
01:55:23,109 --> 01:55:21,199
scientific form to justify what they

2919
01:55:25,990 --> 01:55:23,119
thought in the first place

2920
01:55:28,629 --> 01:55:26,000
and i think that that is that is where i

2921
01:55:29,669 --> 01:55:28,639
part company from and i say okay

2922
01:55:32,470 --> 01:55:29,679
there's something going on here

2923
01:55:35,109 --> 01:55:32,480
something of a very extraordinary nature

2924
01:55:36,030 --> 01:55:35,119
but we're not in a position to say

2925
01:55:38,149 --> 01:55:36,040
it's

2926
01:55:39,510 --> 01:55:38,159
extraterrestrials and they're coming

2927
01:55:41,030 --> 01:55:39,520
here in

2928
01:55:43,350 --> 01:55:41,040
some kind of

2929
01:55:45,189 --> 01:55:43,360
spaceships craft

2930
01:55:47,109 --> 01:55:45,199
maybe traveling faster than light or

2931
01:55:49,030 --> 01:55:47,119
whatever we just don't have the

2932
01:55:51,030 --> 01:55:49,040
justification to

2933
01:55:53,910 --> 01:55:51,040
to make that claim

2934
01:55:55,430 --> 01:55:53,920
after all these years can anyone expect

2935
01:55:57,430 --> 01:55:55,440
some kind of

2936
01:55:59,030 --> 01:55:57,440
life-changing event that would change

2937
01:56:01,350 --> 01:55:59,040
that or is that the way it's going to be

2938
01:56:04,470 --> 01:56:01,360
forever more or as far as we can see in

2939
01:56:06,310 --> 01:56:04,480
the future that ufos stay just one step

2940
01:56:08,550 --> 01:56:06,320
ahead of us

2941
01:56:11,430 --> 01:56:08,560
well that's a very good question i wish

2942
01:56:13,189 --> 01:56:11,440
i had an answer to it i think

2943
01:56:16,950 --> 01:56:13,199
there's a lot of research being done on

2944
01:56:19,830 --> 01:56:16,960
exoplanets and whether there are

2945
01:56:21,750 --> 01:56:19,840
planets going around nearby stars and

2946
01:56:24,390 --> 01:56:21,760
distant stars which

2947
01:56:26,390 --> 01:56:24,400
could develop intelligent life

2948
01:56:29,270 --> 01:56:26,400
i think most scientists these days

2949
01:56:33,350 --> 01:56:29,280
unlike the position 50 years ago

2950
01:56:35,589 --> 01:56:33,360
think life outside uh planet earth

2951
01:56:37,030 --> 01:56:35,599
is almost certainly a reality but

2952
01:56:40,470 --> 01:56:37,040
whether there's

2953
01:56:43,189 --> 01:56:40,480
intelligent life that's the great enigma

2954
01:56:45,990 --> 01:56:43,199
and of course the ufo

2955
01:56:48,070 --> 01:56:46,000
folk will say ah but of course there's

2956
01:56:49,669 --> 01:56:48,080
intelligent life from other planets and

2957
01:56:52,709 --> 01:56:49,679
it's been visiting us

2958
01:56:55,669 --> 01:56:52,719
for at least the last uh 60 years maybe

2959
01:56:58,149 --> 01:56:55,679
for a whole lot longer

2960
01:56:58,950 --> 01:56:58,159
so maybe we are destined never to know

2961
01:57:03,669 --> 01:56:58,960
the

2962
01:57:05,109 --> 01:57:03,679
think it's time for us to give up

2963
01:57:06,149 --> 01:57:05,119
we'll get into more of this in our next

2964
01:57:08,830 --> 01:57:06,159
segment

2965
01:57:12,149 --> 01:57:08,840
but i've already criticized certain

2966
01:57:14,229 --> 01:57:12,159
organizations in the ufo field for just

2967
01:57:15,990 --> 01:57:14,239
trying to verify their beliefs rather

2968
01:57:18,870 --> 01:57:16,000
than investigate to see what really is

2969
01:57:21,430 --> 01:57:18,880
going on wouldn't that be a nice change

2970
01:57:22,870 --> 01:57:21,440
we have more from the irrepressible

2971
01:57:24,790 --> 01:57:22,880
george wingfield

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01:57:27,189 --> 01:57:24,800
did i say irrepressible

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and the equally irrepressible kurt

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we have a few more questions left i

3075
02:02:06,629 --> 02:02:04,480
think in the tilt because we didn't give

3076
02:02:08,709 --> 02:02:06,639
our listeners very much time about

3077
02:02:11,189 --> 02:02:08,719
george wingfield's appearance kurt

3078
02:02:13,270 --> 02:02:11,199
collins you asked one question from

3079
02:02:15,030 --> 02:02:13,280
blowfish one of our regulars anything

3080
02:02:17,189 --> 02:02:15,040
else he says in his comments before we

3081
02:02:19,270 --> 02:02:17,199
move on well he had a question about

3082
02:02:20,709 --> 02:02:19,280
roswell but we covered that so let's

3083
02:02:22,470 --> 02:02:20,719
move on to

3084
02:02:23,669 --> 02:02:22,480
this is actually borderline the

3085
02:02:25,910 --> 02:02:23,679
paranormal

3086
02:02:28,149 --> 02:02:25,920
george what are your thoughts about

3087
02:02:31,589 --> 02:02:28,159
reincarnation and ghost interaction

3088
02:02:34,390 --> 02:02:31,599
prior to someone's sleep paralysis cases

3089
02:02:35,189 --> 02:02:34,400
well this is uh not by

3090
02:02:38,229 --> 02:02:35,199
uh

3091
02:02:41,189 --> 02:02:38,239
not by a particular area but all i can

3092
02:02:42,950 --> 02:02:41,199
say is interesting okay uh there are a

3093
02:02:45,669 --> 02:02:42,960
number of people who make out

3094
02:02:47,750 --> 02:02:45,679
great cases for reincarnation but i'm

3095
02:02:51,990 --> 02:02:47,760
not really persuaded and

3096
02:02:54,950 --> 02:02:52,000
if we are a reincarnation of

3097
02:02:56,149 --> 02:02:54,960
some previous soul who's passed on and

3098
02:02:58,629 --> 02:02:56,159
we have no

3099
02:03:01,189 --> 02:02:58,639
memory whatever of

3100
02:03:03,669 --> 02:03:01,199
that previous incarnation

3101
02:03:05,589 --> 02:03:03,679
what good is it what proof

3102
02:03:08,709 --> 02:03:05,599
is that that we are the serene

3103
02:03:11,669 --> 02:03:08,719
incarnation so i'm a lot of that stuff

3104
02:03:14,950 --> 02:03:11,679
i'm inclined to push into the flat

3105
02:03:17,510 --> 02:03:14,960
doodle basket and say well okay that's

3106
02:03:19,270 --> 02:03:17,520
what you say but you got to prove it

3107
02:03:21,030 --> 02:03:19,280
otherwise i'm not buying

3108
02:03:23,350 --> 02:03:21,040
i think that's the thing that bothers me

3109
02:03:24,790 --> 02:03:23,360
so much about reincarnation

3110
02:03:26,070 --> 02:03:24,800
if we're sent back here to learn

3111
02:03:27,669 --> 02:03:26,080
something

3112
02:03:28,629 --> 02:03:27,679
and we don't remember

3113
02:03:29,910 --> 02:03:28,639
what we

3114
02:03:31,270 --> 02:03:29,920
did wrong

3115
02:03:32,390 --> 02:03:31,280
what's the value

3116
02:03:33,350 --> 02:03:32,400
yeah

3117
02:03:36,229 --> 02:03:33,360
exactly

3118
02:03:37,430 --> 02:03:36,239
kurt we've got a question here from srl

3119
02:03:39,270 --> 02:03:37,440
and uh

3120
02:03:41,589 --> 02:03:39,280
we'll have to uh it's really going to be

3121
02:03:43,990 --> 02:03:41,599
two parts first did you say this and

3122
02:03:46,709 --> 02:03:44,000
second can you expand on it

3123
02:03:49,030 --> 02:03:46,719
he's he thinks that you had posted

3124
02:03:50,950 --> 02:03:49,040
comments along the lines that the ufo

3125
02:03:51,990 --> 02:03:50,960
phenomenon represents humans from the

3126
02:03:54,390 --> 02:03:52,000
future

3127
02:03:57,189 --> 02:03:54,400
as we are looking at ourselves in the

3128
02:03:59,109 --> 02:03:57,199
future and he says it was surprising

3129
02:04:01,589 --> 02:03:59,119
because of the way it was written and

3130
02:04:03,669 --> 02:04:01,599
you were strong about your opinion so

3131
02:04:06,550 --> 02:04:03,679
first we want to verify did you say that

3132
02:04:08,709 --> 02:04:06,560
and then if so can you expand on it well

3133
02:04:11,430 --> 02:04:08,719
first of all i i didn't say that someone

3134
02:04:15,030 --> 02:04:11,440
may have posted something using my name

3135
02:04:17,109 --> 02:04:15,040
or maybe making some mistake i i didn't

3136
02:04:18,950 --> 02:04:17,119
say that and i'm

3137
02:04:20,709 --> 02:04:18,960
certainly interested in the possibility

3138
02:04:23,030 --> 02:04:20,719
of time travel but

3139
02:04:25,669 --> 02:04:23,040
uh it leads to

3140
02:04:28,149 --> 02:04:25,679
logical inconsistencies

3141
02:04:29,589 --> 02:04:28,159
if you can go back in time

3142
02:04:31,189 --> 02:04:29,599
you're talking about

3143
02:04:33,750 --> 02:04:31,199
persons from the future people from the

3144
02:04:34,709 --> 02:04:33,760
future coming back to this particular

3145
02:04:35,910 --> 02:04:34,719
age

3146
02:04:38,870 --> 02:04:35,920
if you

3147
02:04:40,709 --> 02:04:38,880
you can go back in time say we went back

3148
02:04:43,189 --> 02:04:40,719
100 years

3149
02:04:44,950 --> 02:04:43,199
we could do things which would change

3150
02:04:46,950 --> 02:04:44,960
the present so

3151
02:04:49,270 --> 02:04:46,960
i can't see you can accept that from a

3152
02:04:50,790 --> 02:04:49,280
logical point of view i think

3153
02:04:52,950 --> 02:04:50,800
you can go forward

3154
02:04:54,229 --> 02:04:52,960
if you travel close to speed of light

3155
02:04:55,990 --> 02:04:54,239
you can

3156
02:04:57,910 --> 02:04:56,000
certainly go

3157
02:04:59,830 --> 02:04:57,920
hundreds of years on because you

3158
02:05:01,990 --> 02:04:59,840
wouldn't age you wouldn't

3159
02:05:03,990 --> 02:05:02,000
age very slowly but i don't think you

3160
02:05:07,270 --> 02:05:04,000
can come back again that's my point of

3161
02:05:09,669 --> 02:05:07,280
view well let's take a a more of a a gen

3162
02:05:12,070 --> 02:05:09,679
valley look at this and and if if the

3163
02:05:13,990 --> 02:05:12,080
things that that we're seeing we sort of

3164
02:05:15,830 --> 02:05:14,000
touched on this earlier

3165
02:05:17,910 --> 02:05:15,840
is um that we were seeing these

3166
02:05:20,149 --> 02:05:17,920
mysterious things and

3167
02:05:23,189 --> 02:05:20,159
just as we saw airships or in advance of

3168
02:05:24,950 --> 02:05:23,199
our technology is it somehow our mind

3169
02:05:27,030 --> 02:05:24,960
perceiving this is a

3170
02:05:28,310 --> 02:05:27,040
you know we drive cars and fly planes we

3171
02:05:30,950 --> 02:05:28,320
think that this has to be some

3172
02:05:33,589 --> 02:05:30,960
technological explanation do you think

3173
02:05:35,430 --> 02:05:33,599
it could be a matter of interpretation

3174
02:05:37,510 --> 02:05:35,440
yes i think it could be a matter of

3175
02:05:42,629 --> 02:05:37,520
interpretation if you think about all

3176
02:05:45,510 --> 02:05:42,639
those um ufo cases back in the 1950s

3177
02:05:49,270 --> 02:05:45,520
uh pilots were seeing

3178
02:05:53,350 --> 02:05:49,280
spheres and discs and they were usually

3179
02:05:55,510 --> 02:05:53,360
shiny metal objects which were

3180
02:05:58,950 --> 02:05:55,520
more or less the same sort of thing as

3181
02:06:00,950 --> 02:05:58,960
uh jet airplanes in in that day and age

3182
02:06:02,870 --> 02:06:00,960
and they were thought of in those terms

3183
02:06:05,430 --> 02:06:02,880
there's a shiny metal disk it appears to

3184
02:06:08,149 --> 02:06:05,440
have portholes and it's probably got a

3185
02:06:09,830 --> 02:06:08,159
pilot or a crew on board and it was

3186
02:06:12,709 --> 02:06:09,840
thought of always in those terms and

3187
02:06:13,910 --> 02:06:12,719
then we move on we're moving away from

3188
02:06:17,510 --> 02:06:13,920
that and

3189
02:06:20,310 --> 02:06:17,520
when we get into the 1980s and the 1990s

3190
02:06:23,030 --> 02:06:20,320
we're seeing a lot of huge

3191
02:06:26,310 --> 02:06:23,040
triangular craft which um

3192
02:06:28,790 --> 02:06:26,320
we're a certain resemblance to huge

3193
02:06:31,350 --> 02:06:28,800
airliners and things of that kind rather

3194
02:06:33,750 --> 02:06:31,360
than military planes and

3195
02:06:36,149 --> 02:06:33,760
i think that people's concept of what

3196
02:06:37,270 --> 02:06:36,159
they're looking at is covered by

3197
02:06:39,430 --> 02:06:37,280
uh

3198
02:06:41,430 --> 02:06:39,440
the perception of

3199
02:06:43,669 --> 02:06:41,440
human technology

3200
02:06:45,189 --> 02:06:43,679
at the time they're looking i think it's

3201
02:06:47,910 --> 02:06:45,199
colored by that

3202
02:06:49,510 --> 02:06:47,920
you see what what has always worried me

3203
02:06:52,950 --> 02:06:49,520
is that um

3204
02:06:54,870 --> 02:06:52,960
most people uh your believers tend to

3205
02:06:57,350 --> 02:06:54,880
think we're looking at craft of some

3206
02:06:58,470 --> 02:06:57,360
kind probably with extraterrestrials on

3207
02:06:59,990 --> 02:06:58,480
board

3208
02:07:01,350 --> 02:07:00,000
and

3209
02:07:03,750 --> 02:07:01,360
i say well if we're looking at a craft

3210
02:07:07,270 --> 02:07:03,760
why don't we have any photographs of a

3211
02:07:09,830 --> 02:07:07,280
structured craft ufo and some people say

3212
02:07:12,790 --> 02:07:09,840
oh but we do and then of course you get

3213
02:07:15,030 --> 02:07:12,800
stuff like billy mars models and billy

3214
02:07:16,709 --> 02:07:15,040
mars fakes and so on and then you get

3215
02:07:19,350 --> 02:07:16,719
other people who said there's a picture

3216
02:07:21,589 --> 02:07:19,360
of a stretching craft in almost every

3217
02:07:24,069 --> 02:07:21,599
single case i can think of the

3218
02:07:27,430 --> 02:07:24,079
structured craft has been

3219
02:07:30,069 --> 02:07:27,440
shown to be a fake i'm not convinced you

3220
02:07:32,550 --> 02:07:30,079
have real structured crafts you may have

3221
02:07:33,830 --> 02:07:32,560
something like lights in the sky or an

3222
02:07:35,830 --> 02:07:33,840
assembly of

3223
02:07:39,830 --> 02:07:35,840
a number of lights in the sky which are

3224
02:07:41,830 --> 02:07:39,840
going off and on and that's your ufo

3225
02:07:44,550 --> 02:07:41,840
there's any structure behind it some

3226
02:07:47,030 --> 02:07:44,560
people say okay there was a dark

3227
02:07:48,470 --> 02:07:47,040
superstructure connecting the the lights

3228
02:07:51,350 --> 02:07:48,480
we saw

3229
02:07:54,069 --> 02:07:51,360
okay but um i still want a photograph

3230
02:07:56,229 --> 02:07:54,079
and we don't have any photographs of

3231
02:07:58,709 --> 02:07:56,239
that kind well that's been the entire

3232
02:08:00,069 --> 02:07:58,719
problem of the ufo field so many of the

3233
02:08:01,589 --> 02:08:00,079
sightings are

3234
02:08:04,870 --> 02:08:01,599
conventional

3235
02:08:07,189 --> 02:08:04,880
the sky

3236
02:08:09,030 --> 02:08:07,199
and we need the really deep cases

3237
02:08:10,709 --> 02:08:09,040
showing structured craft making

3238
02:08:13,430 --> 02:08:10,719
incredible maneuvers

3239
02:08:15,109 --> 02:08:13,440
lots of witnesses to have a mystery and

3240
02:08:16,950 --> 02:08:15,119
there are those cases

3241
02:08:18,870 --> 02:08:16,960
and we still understand what they are

3242
02:08:20,790 --> 02:08:18,880
but do you think at all since we've seen

3243
02:08:22,390 --> 02:08:20,800
the evidence of government involvement

3244
02:08:24,069 --> 02:08:22,400
that they really have any guilty

3245
02:08:27,830 --> 02:08:24,079
knowledge of anything

3246
02:08:28,709 --> 02:08:27,840
let me uh give you one particular case

3247
02:08:31,669 --> 02:08:28,719
of

3248
02:08:33,750 --> 02:08:31,679
an alleged structured craft

3249
02:08:35,830 --> 02:08:33,760
you make what you will of this story but

3250
02:08:39,830 --> 02:08:35,840
a good friend of mine called andy

3251
02:08:43,589 --> 02:08:39,840
abercrombie from texas uh went to gulf

3252
02:08:44,390 --> 02:08:43,599
breeze in 1991 and it just so happened

3253
02:08:46,790 --> 02:08:44,400
that

3254
02:08:49,109 --> 02:08:46,800
stephen greer and his um

3255
02:08:51,270 --> 02:08:49,119
his followers were all there

3256
02:08:54,229 --> 02:08:51,280
and stephen greer you know

3257
02:08:57,350 --> 02:08:54,239
is the great ufo guru to some people a

3258
02:09:01,350 --> 02:08:58,790
not to you no

3259
02:09:03,430 --> 02:09:01,360
i'm very skeptical of stephen carrera

3260
02:09:06,390 --> 02:09:03,440
sim gross said

3261
02:09:08,470 --> 02:09:06,400
now i want you to all be at shoreline

3262
02:09:11,030 --> 02:09:08,480
park uh

3263
02:09:13,990 --> 02:09:11,040
because there's got to be a ufo

3264
02:09:16,470 --> 02:09:14,000
uh will be coming over

3265
02:09:17,430 --> 02:09:16,480
at eight o'clock exactly eight o'clock

3266
02:09:18,950 --> 02:09:17,440
so

3267
02:09:21,109 --> 02:09:18,960
large numbers of people including

3268
02:09:22,310 --> 02:09:21,119
stephen gray's disciples and stephen

3269
02:09:25,030 --> 02:09:22,320
curry himself

3270
02:09:27,830 --> 02:09:25,040
were there in the usual viewing position

3271
02:09:29,589 --> 02:09:27,840
shoreline park gulf breeze florida

3272
02:09:31,109 --> 02:09:29,599
and sure enough

3273
02:09:33,750 --> 02:09:31,119
i think it was a fake

3274
02:09:35,750 --> 02:09:33,760
three bright lights in the sky which

3275
02:09:37,350 --> 02:09:35,760
seemed to formed a triangle

3276
02:09:39,510 --> 02:09:37,360
didn't know whether they were connected

3277
02:09:40,629 --> 02:09:39,520
or whether they were independent bright

3278
02:09:43,430 --> 02:09:40,639
lights

3279
02:09:45,350 --> 02:09:43,440
uh appeared they moved around and they

3280
02:09:47,189 --> 02:09:45,360
moved towards uh

3281
02:09:47,990 --> 02:09:47,199
shoreline park where all these people

3282
02:09:49,589 --> 02:09:48,000
were

3283
02:09:52,390 --> 02:09:49,599
my friend andy

3284
02:09:55,030 --> 02:09:52,400
was watching these he saw them he said

3285
02:09:57,589 --> 02:09:55,040
yeah this was the real thing and stephen

3286
02:09:59,589 --> 02:09:57,599
greer is telling his people through

3287
02:10:01,669 --> 02:09:59,599
i know a megaphone or something of this

3288
02:10:02,629 --> 02:10:01,679
kind he's saying right

3289
02:10:03,990 --> 02:10:02,639
no

3290
02:10:05,510 --> 02:10:04,000
they're coming in

3291
02:10:08,390 --> 02:10:05,520
you know what we have to go somewhere

3292
02:10:10,870 --> 02:10:08,400
for a second and then we'll go back and

3293
02:10:12,629 --> 02:10:10,880
find out after stephen greer said

3294
02:10:13,350 --> 02:10:12,639
they're coming here

3295
02:10:44,470 --> 02:10:13,360
i

3296
02:10:46,550 --> 02:10:44,480
does not use any database you get full

3297
02:10:49,109 --> 02:10:46,560
control of all your files want to view

3298
02:10:51,910 --> 02:10:49,119
the images of a folder drag it into

3299
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graphic inverter and a powerful browser

3300
02:10:56,310 --> 02:10:54,239
opens up to show your image files you

3301
02:10:58,629 --> 02:10:56,320
could use it for slideshows you could

3302
02:11:01,109 --> 02:10:58,639
use it to import images from digital

3303
02:11:03,109 --> 02:11:01,119
cameras or from scanners need to do some

3304
02:11:05,669 --> 02:11:03,119
image editing you can do that too in

3305
02:11:08,229 --> 02:11:05,679
graphic inverter also print catalogs

3306
02:11:10,629 --> 02:11:08,239
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3414
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george wingfield please tell us

3415
02:15:10,629 --> 02:15:08,800
right well this appears to have been a

3416
02:15:13,109 --> 02:15:10,639
triangle though three bright lights

3417
02:15:14,870 --> 02:15:13,119
forming an equilateral triangle uh

3418
02:15:16,390 --> 02:15:14,880
whether there was a craft behind that or

3419
02:15:17,750 --> 02:15:16,400
not i don't know

3420
02:15:19,430 --> 02:15:17,760
uh but

3421
02:15:20,310 --> 02:15:19,440
andy is watching these lights and they

3422
02:15:22,709 --> 02:15:20,320
did

3423
02:15:25,669 --> 02:15:22,719
come towards the observers

3424
02:15:27,589 --> 02:15:25,679
and people were shouting people were

3425
02:15:29,990 --> 02:15:27,599
getting highly excited and greer was

3426
02:15:31,990 --> 02:15:30,000
telling them greg was saying it's a

3427
02:15:35,030 --> 02:15:32,000
structured craft

3428
02:15:38,390 --> 02:15:35,040
it is a craft and it's going to land are

3429
02:15:40,550 --> 02:15:38,400
you guys ready and because he had put a

3430
02:15:42,950 --> 02:15:40,560
lot of his people through protocols of

3431
02:15:44,629 --> 02:15:42,960
what had to be done when the ufos landed

3432
02:15:46,629 --> 02:15:44,639
when the aliens arrived

3433
02:15:47,510 --> 02:15:46,639
a lot of people thought that moment had

3434
02:15:49,270 --> 02:15:47,520
come

3435
02:15:51,510 --> 02:15:49,280
and there was great he's telling them

3436
02:15:54,709 --> 02:15:51,520
this was a structured craft well

3437
02:15:57,030 --> 02:15:54,719
of course the fact was it didn't land

3438
02:15:59,990 --> 02:15:57,040
it was never seen as a structured craft

3439
02:16:02,310 --> 02:16:00,000
by my friend andy abercrombie

3440
02:16:04,709 --> 02:16:02,320
and life went on

3441
02:16:06,470 --> 02:16:04,719
so what are we to make of that i think

3442
02:16:07,830 --> 02:16:06,480
one of the lessons here is that

3443
02:16:10,550 --> 02:16:07,840
different people

3444
02:16:12,470 --> 02:16:10,560
see different things

3445
02:16:15,990 --> 02:16:12,480
you may not see the same

3446
02:16:18,069 --> 02:16:16,000
object or the same image of a ufo as the

3447
02:16:20,149 --> 02:16:18,079
person who's standing next to you i

3448
02:16:22,709 --> 02:16:20,159
think a lot of this

3449
02:16:25,750 --> 02:16:22,719
our minds are a bit like computers and

3450
02:16:27,270 --> 02:16:25,760
they are looking at the unknown this is

3451
02:16:29,589 --> 02:16:27,280
some kind of an unknown which may

3452
02:16:31,669 --> 02:16:29,599
consist of a number of lights in the sky

3453
02:16:33,910 --> 02:16:31,679
and they will see it differently if they

3454
02:16:37,190 --> 02:16:33,920
see it at all well the thing i wonder

3455
02:16:39,429 --> 02:16:37,200
about here is about what you just said

3456
02:16:41,750 --> 02:16:39,439
that we all see different things so the

3457
02:16:43,589 --> 02:16:41,760
question is here is there a source

3458
02:16:45,270 --> 02:16:43,599
genuine phenomenon

3459
02:16:47,830 --> 02:16:45,280
that we perceive differently because

3460
02:16:51,030 --> 02:16:47,840
it's just too alien to us well that

3461
02:16:53,509 --> 02:16:51,040
could very well be yes um

3462
02:16:55,750 --> 02:16:53,519
aliens right word but um

3463
02:16:59,589 --> 02:16:55,760
it's something of a very mysterious

3464
02:17:02,309 --> 02:16:59,599
nature we are desperately trying to

3465
02:17:03,990 --> 02:17:02,319
put that into a pigeonhole say this is a

3466
02:17:05,830 --> 02:17:04,000
craft or this is

3467
02:17:08,790 --> 02:17:05,840
a ball of light or this is something

3468
02:17:10,629 --> 02:17:08,800
else and our minds are failing because

3469
02:17:14,790 --> 02:17:10,639
here you've got something a mysterious

3470
02:17:18,709 --> 02:17:14,800
nature which i i believe you do have

3471
02:17:20,549 --> 02:17:18,719
and um it just doesn't work what our

3472
02:17:23,669 --> 02:17:20,559
concept of what this is

3473
02:17:25,110 --> 02:17:23,679
uh we're left wondering but we've tried

3474
02:17:27,349 --> 02:17:25,120
to make it into

3475
02:17:29,990 --> 02:17:27,359
an alien spacecraft and we tried to make

3476
02:17:31,190 --> 02:17:30,000
it into ball lightning or try to make it

3477
02:17:33,830 --> 02:17:31,200
into

3478
02:17:36,309 --> 02:17:33,840
some military aircraft

3479
02:17:38,870 --> 02:17:36,319
of an unusual kind but

3480
02:17:41,509 --> 02:17:38,880
we're left in in this position of

3481
02:17:43,910 --> 02:17:41,519
uncertainty and some people

3482
02:17:46,230 --> 02:17:43,920
may not see at all what you're seeing

3483
02:17:48,070 --> 02:17:46,240
it's it's a very strange thing and most

3484
02:17:49,669 --> 02:17:48,080
ufos like this

3485
02:17:52,070 --> 02:17:49,679
uh

3486
02:17:54,790 --> 02:17:52,080
let me say they're completely silent

3487
02:17:58,389 --> 02:17:54,800
that's one uh one thing i've got from

3488
02:18:00,629 --> 02:17:58,399
most ufo reports of the type of

3489
02:18:02,629 --> 02:18:00,639
ufos we're talking about

3490
02:18:04,950 --> 02:18:02,639
in fact i think you know ufos are many

3491
02:18:07,429 --> 02:18:04,960
different things but let's

3492
02:18:09,110 --> 02:18:07,439
put this into a category or of your

3493
02:18:12,389 --> 02:18:09,120
phone let's call them let's call them

3494
02:18:13,110 --> 02:18:12,399
type g uh ufos that's

3495
02:18:15,830 --> 02:18:13,120
uh

3496
02:18:18,309 --> 02:18:15,840
that's not g for george but um

3497
02:18:19,429 --> 02:18:18,319
they're more like a ghost

3498
02:18:21,509 --> 02:18:19,439
you're looking at something which is

3499
02:18:22,309 --> 02:18:21,519
like against you're not certain what it

3500
02:18:24,150 --> 02:18:22,319
is

3501
02:18:25,830 --> 02:18:24,160
it's you're not certain whether it's a

3502
02:18:29,110 --> 02:18:25,840
physical object

3503
02:18:30,709 --> 02:18:29,120
it's entirely silent it's moving

3504
02:18:32,150 --> 02:18:30,719
and you're not certain that the person

3505
02:18:33,589 --> 02:18:32,160
next to you is seeing the same thing

3506
02:18:35,270 --> 02:18:33,599
that you're seeing they're probably

3507
02:18:37,349 --> 02:18:35,280
seeing something because there is

3508
02:18:39,190 --> 02:18:37,359
something there whether it's

3509
02:18:40,790 --> 02:18:39,200
physical or whether it's

3510
02:18:43,509 --> 02:18:40,800
non-physical

3511
02:18:45,750 --> 02:18:43,519
we don't know will we ever find out

3512
02:18:47,830 --> 02:18:45,760
well i hope we'll find out i hope we'll

3513
02:18:48,629 --> 02:18:47,840
get a better idea

3514
02:18:49,509 --> 02:18:48,639
but

3515
02:18:52,070 --> 02:18:49,519
to

3516
02:18:53,589 --> 02:18:52,080
try and sort of go for it head-on

3517
02:18:55,990 --> 02:18:53,599
doesn't seem to work because people have

3518
02:18:56,790 --> 02:18:56,000
been trying to do this in various ways

3519
02:18:59,669 --> 02:18:56,800
for

3520
02:19:01,110 --> 02:18:59,679
50 years and we've got to go about it

3521
02:19:04,150 --> 02:19:01,120
a different way and i think we have to

3522
02:19:07,349 --> 02:19:04,160
have a much better understanding of

3523
02:19:09,910 --> 02:19:07,359
how our minds work and how

3524
02:19:11,910 --> 02:19:09,920
not just our psychology but our whole

3525
02:19:13,349 --> 02:19:11,920
consciousness and we've got to think the

3526
02:19:16,790 --> 02:19:13,359
processes

3527
02:19:19,190 --> 02:19:16,800
uh through very carefully as to

3528
02:19:23,110 --> 02:19:19,200
what produces that image

3529
02:19:24,790 --> 02:19:23,120
on oman's retina of what we call a ufo

3530
02:19:28,549 --> 02:19:24,800
i've got another question this one's

3531
02:19:30,230 --> 02:19:28,559
from blowfish he wanted to know um if uh

3532
02:19:32,070 --> 02:19:30,240
well we'll say except for your siding

3533
02:19:34,389 --> 02:19:32,080
because you mentioned that briefly but

3534
02:19:37,349 --> 02:19:34,399
while investigating uh crop circles or

3535
02:19:40,469 --> 02:19:37,359
anything else have you ever experienced

3536
02:19:42,150 --> 02:19:40,479
related or unrelated unexplained events

3537
02:19:44,309 --> 02:19:42,160
uh

3538
02:19:45,270 --> 02:19:44,319
well i i did have

3539
02:19:48,549 --> 02:19:45,280
uh

3540
02:19:51,830 --> 02:19:48,559
in a crop circle back in

3541
02:19:53,270 --> 02:19:51,840
1989 i was with some other people and

3542
02:19:55,670 --> 02:19:53,280
you know there were

3543
02:19:57,510 --> 02:19:55,680
unexplained events but i think i should

3544
02:20:00,230 --> 02:19:57,520
um

3545
02:20:02,550 --> 02:20:00,240
i i'd have to tell you the second things

3546
02:20:04,389 --> 02:20:02,560
more one of the people there were six

3547
02:20:05,270 --> 02:20:04,399
people in the crop circle it was that

3548
02:20:08,389 --> 02:20:05,280
night

3549
02:20:09,830 --> 02:20:08,399
and um we had with us um a well-known

3550
02:20:12,230 --> 02:20:09,840
medium

3551
02:20:14,309 --> 02:20:12,240
called rita gould but what's happened to

3552
02:20:15,670 --> 02:20:14,319
her now but she was a medium and she

3553
02:20:18,150 --> 02:20:15,680
claimed to be able to

3554
02:20:19,670 --> 02:20:18,160
make things materialize and she claimed

3555
02:20:22,870 --> 02:20:19,680
all sorts of things

3556
02:20:24,870 --> 02:20:22,880
i was always very suspicious of

3557
02:20:27,590 --> 02:20:24,880
when when you get into the realm of

3558
02:20:30,070 --> 02:20:27,600
mediumship and senses

3559
02:20:32,790 --> 02:20:30,080
and poltergeists guys

3560
02:20:34,950 --> 02:20:32,800
there's always some uncertainty one

3561
02:20:36,710 --> 02:20:34,960
feels that quite a lot of this is false

3562
02:20:38,309 --> 02:20:36,720
or contrived

3563
02:20:40,630 --> 02:20:38,319
some of it may be

3564
02:20:43,510 --> 02:20:40,640
due to the fact that the sitters and the

3565
02:20:44,710 --> 02:20:43,520
cells are hypnotized into thinking this

3566
02:20:46,550 --> 02:20:44,720
or that

3567
02:20:49,190 --> 02:20:46,560
and these things are all happening in

3568
02:20:51,030 --> 02:20:49,200
the dark rather rather like ufos are

3569
02:20:53,670 --> 02:20:51,040
usually happening in the dark

3570
02:20:56,389 --> 02:20:53,680
and you're not quite sure what's gone on

3571
02:20:57,590 --> 02:20:56,399
and i have written about that years and

3572
02:20:58,870 --> 02:20:57,600
years ago

3573
02:21:00,070 --> 02:20:58,880
and

3574
02:21:02,469 --> 02:21:00,080
it was

3575
02:21:04,950 --> 02:21:02,479
there were unexplained things

3576
02:21:06,790 --> 02:21:04,960
but that's not the general uh

3577
02:21:08,710 --> 02:21:06,800
form for a crop circle

3578
02:21:10,469 --> 02:21:08,720
uh i i have said and i

3579
02:21:12,630 --> 02:21:10,479
you know i'm convinced that the vast

3580
02:21:13,510 --> 02:21:12,640
majority of crop circles are made by

3581
02:21:15,590 --> 02:21:13,520
people

3582
02:21:18,550 --> 02:21:15,600
that are very carefully made

3583
02:21:20,469 --> 02:21:18,560
this still goes on and people are

3584
02:21:23,429 --> 02:21:20,479
deceived by

3585
02:21:24,950 --> 02:21:23,439
that but there may be maybe mysterious

3586
02:21:26,710 --> 02:21:24,960
crop circles which are not made by

3587
02:21:30,389 --> 02:21:26,720
people i don't know whether they're made

3588
02:21:31,990 --> 02:21:30,399
by ufos or what they're made by but um

3589
02:21:33,670 --> 02:21:32,000
i can only talk about

3590
02:21:35,429 --> 02:21:33,680
the ones i know but

3591
02:21:37,750 --> 02:21:35,439
same goes for

3592
02:21:40,790 --> 02:21:37,760
ufos as well

3593
02:21:42,950 --> 02:21:40,800
when you mention medium it my mind

3594
02:21:45,110 --> 02:21:42,960
jumped back to your stephen greer story

3595
02:21:47,910 --> 02:21:45,120
what year was that that you were the

3596
02:21:50,630 --> 02:21:47,920
story you were telling the gulf breeze

3597
02:21:54,469 --> 02:21:50,640
oh that was uh i believe um

3598
02:21:56,389 --> 02:21:54,479
1991 and it was in july and uh this

3599
02:21:58,870 --> 02:21:56,399
particular yofo

3600
02:22:01,510 --> 02:21:58,880
which was um really an equilateral

3601
02:22:03,590 --> 02:22:01,520
triangle of lights in the sky uh was

3602
02:22:07,030 --> 02:22:03,600
actually recorded on

3603
02:22:08,790 --> 02:22:07,040
on video and uh well maybe maybe a copy

3604
02:22:10,230 --> 02:22:08,800
of that somewhere around on the internet

3605
02:22:11,990 --> 02:22:10,240
for all i know

3606
02:22:13,590 --> 02:22:12,000
well the reason i mentioned it i had a

3607
02:22:15,190 --> 02:22:13,600
strong sense of deja vu because

3608
02:22:17,190 --> 02:22:15,200
something happened a few months ago and

3609
02:22:20,150 --> 02:22:17,200
this was this was posted online and it

3610
02:22:22,950 --> 02:22:20,160
was it sounded like exactly the same

3611
02:22:26,070 --> 02:22:22,960
situation a group of uh stephen grier's

3612
02:22:27,990 --> 02:22:26,080
believers some and a near body of water

3613
02:22:31,110 --> 02:22:28,000
i can't remember the particular

3614
02:22:33,349 --> 02:22:31,120
coastline uh three lights coming in

3615
02:22:35,510 --> 02:22:33,359
it was almost as if it was stage and

3616
02:22:37,590 --> 02:22:35,520
endearing instead of uh the things he

3617
02:22:39,830 --> 02:22:37,600
was saying in your story

3618
02:22:41,830 --> 02:22:39,840
it was uh these these aren't flares

3619
02:22:43,910 --> 02:22:41,840
these aren't flares but there's been

3620
02:22:45,830 --> 02:22:43,920
some photo analysis that seems to

3621
02:22:48,150 --> 02:22:45,840
indicate their flares

3622
02:22:52,790 --> 02:22:49,830
well okay

3623
02:22:54,950 --> 02:22:52,800
these were definitely not flares and uh

3624
02:22:57,510 --> 02:22:54,960
leading on from that story uh at the

3625
02:22:59,670 --> 02:22:57,520
time of the um the gulf breeze ufo

3626
02:23:02,070 --> 02:22:59,680
sightings i think that all ed walters

3627
02:23:03,910 --> 02:23:02,080
photographs were in fact faked i don't

3628
02:23:05,910 --> 02:23:03,920
think there's much doubt about that

3629
02:23:08,230 --> 02:23:05,920
they've faked using models and double

3630
02:23:10,389 --> 02:23:08,240
exposure various other techniques but

3631
02:23:12,230 --> 02:23:10,399
the the fact of the matter is that uh

3632
02:23:13,590 --> 02:23:12,240
there was huge interest in the ufo

3633
02:23:16,150 --> 02:23:13,600
subject in

3634
02:23:18,389 --> 02:23:16,160
in the panhandle of florida and in gulf

3635
02:23:20,950 --> 02:23:18,399
breeze in particular at that time

3636
02:23:23,510 --> 02:23:20,960
and every night people would go out

3637
02:23:25,830 --> 02:23:23,520
they'd go out to shoreline park

3638
02:23:27,910 --> 02:23:25,840
gulf breeze and they got under

3639
02:23:30,469 --> 02:23:27,920
fort pickens at the end of santa rosa

3640
02:23:33,990 --> 02:23:30,479
island and they'd watch for hours and on

3641
02:23:36,230 --> 02:23:34,000
many occasions um a ufo would appear

3642
02:23:38,389 --> 02:23:36,240
which is known as bubba and it became

3643
02:23:39,510 --> 02:23:38,399
you know quite a favorite ufo and it was

3644
02:23:42,349 --> 02:23:39,520
sort of a

3645
02:23:44,950 --> 02:23:42,359
dull red color and it would sort of

3646
02:23:46,870 --> 02:23:44,960
materialize up from a

3647
02:23:49,270 --> 02:23:46,880
certain angle from where the observance

3648
02:23:51,670 --> 02:23:49,280
stood it was a bit different at times

3649
02:23:54,389 --> 02:23:51,680
and then sometimes it would sort of

3650
02:23:57,030 --> 02:23:54,399
fragment and slowly drift apart

3651
02:23:59,110 --> 02:23:57,040
and what this was no one really knew but

3652
02:24:01,110 --> 02:23:59,120
i talked to enough people who had seen

3653
02:24:03,030 --> 02:24:01,120
this and said yeah yeah sure that was

3654
02:24:04,469 --> 02:24:03,040
something wrong it wasn't a flare it

3655
02:24:07,429 --> 02:24:04,479
wasn't uh

3656
02:24:09,670 --> 02:24:07,439
it wasn't aircraft from the

3657
02:24:11,270 --> 02:24:09,680
naval air station of pensacola it wasn't

3658
02:24:13,830 --> 02:24:11,280
the balloon it wasn't any it was

3659
02:24:16,710 --> 02:24:13,840
something of a truly mysterious nature

3660
02:24:18,150 --> 02:24:16,720
we have a truly mysterious break to come

3661
02:24:20,469 --> 02:24:18,160
then we'll be back with our final

3662
02:24:27,590 --> 02:24:20,479
segment with george wingfield

3663
02:24:32,630 --> 02:24:29,750
independently leading the way for the

3664
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nation compelling talk for every

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attack of the rockoids has been well

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received by critics and readers alike

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it's a thrill a minute story you'll

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never forget

3670
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a former u s military intelligence

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officer is haunted by intense dreams

3672
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about a beautiful woman pleading for his

3673
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help after a terrible battle in outer

3674
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space

3675
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but the dreams turn out to be true and

3676
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thrust him into a telepathic love affair

3677
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with a woman whose far away planet is

3678
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intent on destroying the earth

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3722
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underemployment rate hit a staggering

3724
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3725
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3726
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3730
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3731
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looking for another job in corporate

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3771
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3772
02:28:55,510 --> 02:28:47,920
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3773
02:28:58,550 --> 02:28:57,349
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3774
02:29:00,469 --> 02:28:58,560
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3775
02:29:02,150 --> 02:29:00,479
about the power cast plus and how to

3776
02:29:03,670 --> 02:29:02,160
join this is our final segment with

3777
02:29:04,550 --> 02:29:03,680
george wingfield

3778
02:29:06,469 --> 02:29:04,560
now

3779
02:29:08,469 --> 02:29:06,479
years and years ago

3780
02:29:11,670 --> 02:29:08,479
george i interviewed

3781
02:29:13,990 --> 02:29:11,680
the one and only ed walters

3782
02:29:16,230 --> 02:29:14,000
for a magazine i used to publish

3783
02:29:18,150 --> 02:29:16,240
and he seemed like a

3784
02:29:19,990 --> 02:29:18,160
nice guy and he seemed sincere enough

3785
02:29:21,750 --> 02:29:20,000
but i could see various reasons why we

3786
02:29:24,150 --> 02:29:21,760
suspect what he said

3787
02:29:26,790 --> 02:29:24,160
i know for a time at least the late jim

3788
02:29:27,910 --> 02:29:26,800
mosley seemed to believe him

3789
02:29:30,230 --> 02:29:27,920
for time

3790
02:29:31,510 --> 02:29:30,240
a lot of people did i believed him at

3791
02:29:34,230 --> 02:29:31,520
first

3792
02:29:35,349 --> 02:29:34,240
what was it that broke the camel's back

3793
02:29:37,750 --> 02:29:35,359
as it were

3794
02:29:39,030 --> 02:29:37,760
well i forget the names of the people

3795
02:29:41,910 --> 02:29:39,040
but some

3796
02:29:44,870 --> 02:29:41,920
some of the local mufon people who

3797
02:29:46,710 --> 02:29:44,880
saw a lot of him are much closer to this

3798
02:29:49,670 --> 02:29:46,720
than myself said

3799
02:29:52,309 --> 02:29:49,680
no this is this is not real and these

3800
02:29:53,910 --> 02:29:52,319
photographs are being forged i forget

3801
02:29:56,469 --> 02:29:53,920
now the names of the people and of

3802
02:29:58,309 --> 02:29:56,479
course those people were demonized by

3803
02:29:59,830 --> 02:29:58,319
other mufun people

3804
02:30:01,510 --> 02:29:59,840
there was a huge

3805
02:30:02,950 --> 02:30:01,520
group of people who really wanted to

3806
02:30:04,950 --> 02:30:02,960
believe that

3807
02:30:06,870 --> 02:30:04,960
edward's staff was

3808
02:30:08,309 --> 02:30:06,880
genuine chief amongst these of course

3809
02:30:10,469 --> 02:30:08,319
was linda har

3810
02:30:12,870 --> 02:30:10,479
lindahar was furious if anyone ever

3811
02:30:16,070 --> 02:30:12,880
suggested that these photographs are

3812
02:30:18,230 --> 02:30:16,080
forged and then eventually

3813
02:30:20,790 --> 02:30:18,240
ed walters sort of quit and vanished and

3814
02:30:25,110 --> 02:30:20,800
refused to have any further contact with

3815
02:30:27,590 --> 02:30:25,120
the local um ufo people and mufon

3816
02:30:29,270 --> 02:30:27,600
house which had been his was sold

3817
02:30:31,030 --> 02:30:29,280
and certainly

3818
02:30:32,469 --> 02:30:31,040
a model was

3819
02:30:34,870 --> 02:30:32,479
found in the

3820
02:30:38,469 --> 02:30:34,880
in the attic of the house by someone

3821
02:30:41,670 --> 02:30:38,479
which exactly corresponded to the

3822
02:30:43,670 --> 02:30:41,680
the shape of the ufo ufos which appeared

3823
02:30:45,990 --> 02:30:43,680
in his pictures and people say well

3824
02:30:48,389 --> 02:30:46,000
that's it you see he made these models

3825
02:30:50,230 --> 02:30:48,399
he unfortunately left one up in the

3826
02:30:52,070 --> 02:30:50,240
attic of the house and when it was sold

3827
02:30:53,590 --> 02:30:52,080
somebody discovered this

3828
02:30:56,150 --> 02:30:53,600
but of course the

3829
02:30:57,830 --> 02:30:56,160
ufo believers said oh no no that's been

3830
02:31:00,870 --> 02:30:57,840
planted though by someone who's anxious

3831
02:31:03,510 --> 02:31:00,880
to discredit the story so you see you've

3832
02:31:06,150 --> 02:31:03,520
got all this sort of nonsense

3833
02:31:09,030 --> 02:31:06,160
but in my opinion in my opinion yes the

3834
02:31:11,590 --> 02:31:09,040
ed walters photographs were all fakes

3835
02:31:14,150 --> 02:31:11,600
uh other people will tell you otherwise

3836
02:31:15,190 --> 02:31:14,160
it's a confusing situation and we we've

3837
02:31:17,910 --> 02:31:15,200
tried to

3838
02:31:20,630 --> 02:31:17,920
ask this before but you seem to indicate

3839
02:31:23,670 --> 02:31:20,640
that there were there was genuine ufo

3840
02:31:26,150 --> 02:31:23,680
activity minus what ed walters was doing

3841
02:31:27,270 --> 02:31:26,160
so i kind of wonder it does seem to be

3842
02:31:28,790 --> 02:31:27,280
there were a lot of people that were

3843
02:31:31,510 --> 02:31:28,800
seeing things

3844
02:31:33,510 --> 02:31:31,520
but were they there looking because he

3845
02:31:36,230 --> 02:31:33,520
but his popularity or did he just

3846
02:31:38,070 --> 02:31:36,240
capitalize on that ufo interest

3847
02:31:39,990 --> 02:31:38,080
well he um

3848
02:31:42,469 --> 02:31:40,000
he sort of started

3849
02:31:44,550 --> 02:31:42,479
the gulf breeze flat by

3850
02:31:46,309 --> 02:31:44,560
anonymously sending some of these photos

3851
02:31:49,590 --> 02:31:46,319
to the local newspaper

3852
02:31:50,550 --> 02:31:49,600
and then you know there's huge interest

3853
02:31:52,630 --> 02:31:50,560
and then

3854
02:31:56,230 --> 02:31:52,640
all sorts of people would go out to look

3855
02:31:57,830 --> 02:31:56,240
for these ufos and at some stage uh

3856
02:31:59,750 --> 02:31:57,840
people were out there every night

3857
02:32:02,710 --> 02:31:59,760
watching for ufos

3858
02:32:06,070 --> 02:32:02,720
and they started seeing that now

3859
02:32:09,349 --> 02:32:06,080
this is it's not obvious but the this

3860
02:32:11,830 --> 02:32:09,359
ufo called bubba is sort of dull red ufo

3861
02:32:12,710 --> 02:32:11,840
which appeared on frequent occasions and

3862
02:32:15,030 --> 02:32:12,720
people

3863
02:32:17,510 --> 02:32:15,040
saw it and there are some photographs

3864
02:32:20,469 --> 02:32:17,520
it's just a glowing mass in the sky and

3865
02:32:23,190 --> 02:32:20,479
one has to ask whether this is some

3866
02:32:25,349 --> 02:32:23,200
something generated by the consciousness

3867
02:32:27,270 --> 02:32:25,359
of all these ufo believers

3868
02:32:29,270 --> 02:32:27,280
who were looking up in the sky and

3869
02:32:30,070 --> 02:32:29,280
believing there was something real going

3870
02:32:31,670 --> 02:32:30,080
on

3871
02:32:32,550 --> 02:32:31,680
you're saying in short

3872
02:32:35,030 --> 02:32:32,560
that

3873
02:32:36,950 --> 02:32:35,040
after the fake ufo sightings so many

3874
02:32:40,150 --> 02:32:36,960
people believe there were real ufo

3875
02:32:41,910 --> 02:32:40,160
sightings that the force whatever it is

3876
02:32:42,710 --> 02:32:41,920
granted their wish

3877
02:32:43,750 --> 02:32:42,720
yes

3878
02:32:46,230 --> 02:32:43,760
i'm

3879
02:32:47,990 --> 02:32:46,240
suggesting it was something of this kind

3880
02:32:50,070 --> 02:32:48,000
there was such a

3881
02:32:52,389 --> 02:32:50,080
an interest and such a

3882
02:32:54,790 --> 02:32:52,399
fervent belief that there were real ufos

3883
02:32:55,670 --> 02:32:54,800
around gulf breeze so people saw these

3884
02:32:58,070 --> 02:32:55,680
things

3885
02:33:00,630 --> 02:32:58,080
so is that a case of if enough people in

3886
02:33:02,469 --> 02:33:00,640
any part of the country believe ufos are

3887
02:33:05,190 --> 02:33:02,479
going to come they will i don't know

3888
02:33:07,590 --> 02:33:05,200
because you have these situations where

3889
02:33:10,469 --> 02:33:07,600
they set up sky watches because ufos are

3890
02:33:12,469 --> 02:33:10,479
seen in an area and more often than not

3891
02:33:13,270 --> 02:33:12,479
that's it no more com

3892
02:33:14,710 --> 02:33:13,280
well

3893
02:33:15,670 --> 02:33:14,720
i'd um

3894
02:33:17,270 --> 02:33:15,680
put it

3895
02:33:20,469 --> 02:33:17,280
let's get away from ufos just for a

3896
02:33:23,110 --> 02:33:20,479
moment and say when you have catholic

3897
02:33:25,030 --> 02:33:23,120
religious miracles you get

3898
02:33:27,190 --> 02:33:25,040
groups of people who say well they've

3899
02:33:28,230 --> 02:33:27,200
seen an apparition of the virgin mary

3900
02:33:30,230 --> 02:33:28,240
and

3901
02:33:32,870 --> 02:33:30,240
you know a number of people will be

3902
02:33:35,510 --> 02:33:32,880
drawn to such a group who will have

3903
02:33:38,389 --> 02:33:35,520
possibly even regular sightings of the

3904
02:33:40,710 --> 02:33:38,399
virgin mary this happens to place in uh

3905
02:33:43,510 --> 02:33:40,720
croatia i think it's croatia

3906
02:33:44,389 --> 02:33:43,520
uh or bosnia called majigori

3907
02:33:45,750 --> 02:33:44,399
and

3908
02:33:49,270 --> 02:33:45,760
for years i don't know if it's still

3909
02:33:50,469 --> 02:33:49,280
going on a group of about about a dozen

3910
02:33:53,270 --> 02:33:50,479
young

3911
02:33:55,270 --> 02:33:53,280
catholics who were ardent believers

3912
02:33:58,630 --> 02:33:55,280
would gather and they'd say they would

3913
02:34:01,270 --> 02:33:58,640
see the virgin mary there of course

3914
02:34:02,950 --> 02:34:01,280
non-catholics and other people who

3915
02:34:04,950 --> 02:34:02,960
weren't part of this group would come

3916
02:34:06,790 --> 02:34:04,960
and see that and they were all behaving

3917
02:34:09,030 --> 02:34:06,800
as if they could see

3918
02:34:09,830 --> 02:34:09,040
this image of the virgin mary

3919
02:34:12,070 --> 02:34:09,840
but

3920
02:34:14,309 --> 02:34:12,080
outsiders didn't see anything they just

3921
02:34:18,469 --> 02:34:14,319
saw a lot of people who were

3922
02:34:21,110 --> 02:34:18,479
in in a sort of the fervent state of uh

3923
02:34:22,870 --> 02:34:21,120
agitation or belief or

3924
02:34:25,830 --> 02:34:22,880
whatever is going on

3925
02:34:28,230 --> 02:34:25,840
i said before that i think very often

3926
02:34:31,910 --> 02:34:28,240
some people see ufos and people standing

3927
02:34:33,990 --> 02:34:31,920
right alongside do not see whatever

3928
02:34:35,910 --> 02:34:34,000
the ufo seals are seeing

3929
02:34:37,110 --> 02:34:35,920
and that's why i call them this is

3930
02:34:41,110 --> 02:34:37,120
something of a

3931
02:34:43,910 --> 02:34:41,120
ghost-like ufo maybe type g ufos

3932
02:34:45,510 --> 02:34:43,920
or something of this variety now we have

3933
02:34:47,429 --> 02:34:45,520
just a couple of minutes left you don't

3934
02:34:49,750 --> 02:34:47,439
think we'll ever solve this thing do you

3935
02:34:51,349 --> 02:34:49,760
well you say solvency

3936
02:34:53,990 --> 02:34:51,359
that's making a huge assumption that

3937
02:34:56,790 --> 02:34:54,000
ufos are all one thing i think ufos are

3938
02:34:59,830 --> 02:34:56,800
many different things and i can't rule

3939
02:35:01,670 --> 02:34:59,840
out there are extraterrestrial ufos

3940
02:35:04,309 --> 02:35:01,680
which are physical craft i can't rule

3941
02:35:06,950 --> 02:35:04,319
that out but i think that's probably

3942
02:35:08,469 --> 02:35:06,960
if that's there at all it's only a tiny

3943
02:35:10,790 --> 02:35:08,479
bit of it i think

3944
02:35:14,630 --> 02:35:10,800
a lot more different things which are

3945
02:35:15,590 --> 02:35:14,640
not connected with aliens or spacecraft

3946
02:35:18,230 --> 02:35:15,600
which

3947
02:35:19,590 --> 02:35:18,240
form the ufo phenomena well

3948
02:35:21,429 --> 02:35:19,600
i just wonder

3949
02:35:23,590 --> 02:35:21,439
how long we'll continue to do this and

3950
02:35:26,309 --> 02:35:23,600
how long people will continue to say

3951
02:35:29,190 --> 02:35:26,319
that et is among us and i also wonder

3952
02:35:30,950 --> 02:35:29,200
sometimes if et did land and people say

3953
02:35:33,830 --> 02:35:30,960
we've been watching your ships all these

3954
02:35:35,510 --> 02:35:33,840
years they will say in whatever language

3955
02:35:39,270 --> 02:35:35,520
they speak or whatever way they

3956
02:35:40,790 --> 02:35:39,280
communicate what are you talking about

3957
02:35:42,389 --> 02:35:40,800
i'm sure that's right

3958
02:35:44,950 --> 02:35:42,399
sort of reminds me of an article that

3959
02:35:47,990 --> 02:35:44,960
was written many years ago about whether

3960
02:35:50,950 --> 02:35:48,000
martians see ufos so the question would

3961
02:35:52,870 --> 02:35:50,960
be whether the aliens if they land

3962
02:35:56,469 --> 02:35:52,880
whether they'd say you know what we are

3963
02:35:58,790 --> 02:35:56,479
not the things you saw but we see ufos

3964
02:36:00,469 --> 02:35:58,800
too how about that george wingfield

3965
02:36:02,630 --> 02:36:00,479
would you tell our listeners if there's

3966
02:36:04,870 --> 02:36:02,640
any place online they could find more of

3967
02:36:08,309 --> 02:36:04,880
the things that you do i was hoping to

3968
02:36:10,950 --> 02:36:08,319
put up a website or a blog site and um

3969
02:36:14,309 --> 02:36:10,960
getting things together slowly but uh

3970
02:36:16,389 --> 02:36:14,319
i i sent you that uh recent thing on

3971
02:36:18,550 --> 02:36:16,399
cattle mutilation i haven't decided

3972
02:36:21,349 --> 02:36:18,560
quite where to post it yet i know if you

3973
02:36:23,670 --> 02:36:21,359
like posting such stuff on the paracast

3974
02:36:25,510 --> 02:36:23,680
or well i should put it somewhere else

3975
02:36:28,230 --> 02:36:25,520
you know what you're free to visit the

3976
02:36:31,110 --> 02:36:28,240
forums at forum.thepowercast.com

3977
02:36:33,750 --> 02:36:31,120
you're free to post anything you want if

3978
02:36:35,349 --> 02:36:33,760
the system doesn't allow you to post a

3979
02:36:36,389 --> 02:36:35,359
full article because there is a word

3980
02:36:38,790 --> 02:36:36,399
count issue

3981
02:36:41,030 --> 02:36:38,800
then you can divide it in half and put

3982
02:36:42,550 --> 02:36:41,040
it there okay it's a word khan what

3983
02:36:44,870 --> 02:36:42,560
happens if it's got

3984
02:36:46,070 --> 02:36:44,880
photographs in the words i'm thinking in

3985
02:36:48,790 --> 02:36:46,080
terms of

3986
02:36:51,670 --> 02:36:48,800
microsoft word articles running to maybe

3987
02:36:53,590 --> 02:36:51,680
20 pages with several photographs

3988
02:36:55,510 --> 02:36:53,600
included should you put up the

3989
02:36:58,070 --> 02:36:55,520
photographs separately let me tell you

3990
02:36:59,750 --> 02:36:58,080
how we'll do it save it as a pdf file

3991
02:37:03,110 --> 02:36:59,760
which you probably can do

3992
02:37:04,710 --> 02:37:03,120
and then post a link to that file

3993
02:37:06,070 --> 02:37:04,720
and we can put it on our website just

3994
02:37:07,990 --> 02:37:06,080
contact me we'll put it on the site

3995
02:37:10,070 --> 02:37:08,000
saying here's a 20 page piece from

3996
02:37:11,750 --> 02:37:10,080
george wingfield or you could post it

3997
02:37:14,309 --> 02:37:11,760
and we'll do it that way okay

3998
02:37:17,270 --> 02:37:14,319
we'll discuss that after the episode

3999
02:37:19,349 --> 02:37:17,280
kurt collins where do we find you online

4000
02:37:22,389 --> 02:37:19,359
i've got some material of interest at

4001
02:37:24,469 --> 02:37:22,399
jimmosley.com and then my personal blog

4002
02:37:26,870 --> 02:37:24,479
blueglorylines.com

4003
02:37:28,710 --> 02:37:26,880
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02:38:37,510 --> 02:38:36,319
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4039
02:38:40,550 --> 02:38:38,640
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4040
02:38:42,469 --> 02:38:40,560
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